Bill Clinton on august 5, 1996

[FullDJacket]

"to pull our troops back from the world's trouble spots, to turn our backs on those taking risks for peace, to weaken our opposition against terrorism, to curtail the freedom that is our birthright would be to give terrorism the victory it must not and will not have. "

How about Afghanistan and Al-qaidia you fuck?



http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election ... h_8-6.html

[SmokingGun]

In your sig, why do you have Hitler next to Assange? One person compares him to Muslims, another to Nazis... WTF?

[FullDJacket]

Dunno about Hitler actually but he's like the Napoleon of the french revolution. You know corrupting something honorable and just.

[SmokingGun]

But what is Assagne corrupting? Publishing the truth without spin, without the influence of multi-billion dollar media corporations, without needing it to 'have an audience' for it to be published, without any of the usual bullshit that interferes with the dirty unwashed masses actually finding out what their leaders in their ivory towers are doing. What's wrong with that?

Once world leaders collectively shit themselves over something like this, it's obvious they fear they cannot pull the wool over the plebs' eyes like they could in the past.

[FullDJacket]

Publishing the truth without spin

No that's not what it is. "He" is releasing selected parts to selected news outlets, he is using the site to empower himself as a political player and to clear himself of rape charges.

It should just be a site that release everything at once with no personalities involved.

[SmokingGun]

Publishing the truth without spin

No that's not what it is. "He" is releasing selected parts to selected news outlets, he is using the site to empower himself as a political player and to clear himself of rape charges.

It should just be a site that release everything at once with no personalities involved.

Selected news outlets? All of the cables are in one massive torrent, downloadable by you, me, anyone who is interested. And if they are selected, who is he targeting? And who is he letting off the hook? Because he doesn't seem to be playing favorites with anyone, rather releasing whatever anonymous submitters have sent. Not all at once, they have been blacking out names if there is a risk that a person/people could actually be killed... it takes time to go through tens of thousands of pages you know!


And the rapes.. the what? The 'rapes' that happened while he was in Sweden? Was it 2 women in a single encounter? Or 2 women at separate times? How huge is this mans penis that he's breaking condoms left and right? And how on earth is this even remotely provable? "Hey, we were having consensual sex and half way through I changed my mind. Throw that guy in jail!" Finally, they charge him 2 DAYS AFTER HE RELEASES THE LARGEST GOVERNMENT LEAK IN HISTORY?!?!? Is that not even remotely fishy?

Did you miss the part where Assange offered, through his lawyer, several times, to be interviewed by these prosecutors before he had left Sweden? And they weren't interested?

There's no reason for them to go after him now, other than this:

Wikileaks is releasing lots of shit that makes governments around the world look bad, and they apparently feel the need to DISTRACT PEOPLE with these trumped-up "sex" crime accusations, and try to smear Assange any way they can.

He was in Sweden and prosecution waited until he left Sweden to start making demands. Probably specifically to get Interpol involved and limit his movements. You knew this guy was going to get nailed for what he was doing. This is the beginning. Next up: paint him as a child molester because nobody feels bad for one of those. A classic first step. Limit his movements, deny him places to be. Eventually he'll wind up somewhere with an extradition treaty and that will be that.

Also, if there are any Interpol people who happen to read this - I know of an actual child molester you could go pick up pretty easy if this is the sort of thing that actually interests you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Polanski

No? Not interested? Hypocrisy. Imagine that.

[FullDJacket]

Selected news outlets? All of the cables are in one massive torrent, downloadable by you, me, anyone who is interested. And if they are selected, who is he targeting? And who is he letting off the hook? Because he doesn't seem to be playing favorites with anyone, rather releasing whatever anonymous submitters have sent. Not all at once, they have been blacking out names if there is a risk that a person/people could actually be killed... it takes time to go through tens of thousands of pages you know!

The fact of the matter is that a few selected american and british news outlets were given the material in advance. I don't care about the names. Censor all of them or some of them, whatever, just release everything at once to everyone.

And the rapes.. the what? The 'rapes' that happened while he was in Sweden? Was it 2 women in a single encounter? Or 2 women at separate times? How huge is this mans penis that he's breaking condoms left and right? And how on earth is this even remotely provable? "Hey, we were having consensual sex and half way through I changed my mind. Throw that guy in jail!" Finally, they charge him 2 DAYS AFTER HE RELEASES THE LARGEST GOVERNMENT LEAK IN HISTORY?!?!? Is that not even remotely fishy?

Ok. So go to sweden an clear your name. Don't use the site to clear your name.

My most important point is that he is using the site to become a political player. The site should be anonymous. No personalities corrupting it.

[SmokingGun]

My most important point is that he is using the site to become a political player. The site should be anonymous. No personalities corrupting it.

I fully agree. But the only 'personality' that has seeped into the leaks was the title 'collateral murder', way back when. Since then it's just pages of info. By the way, how does one clear one's name in a rape charge where the woman/women supposedly said 'stop' *halfway through* a consentual act? It's one persons word against another. And in this case, two people plus the governments of the whole world willing to do whatever they have to do to win, against one person who is destined to lose. DNA won't help him, witnesses usually don't watch people having sex.. so how is he supposed to prove his innocence? He can't, it's impossible.

PS Blacking out all the names = a pretty pointless 'leak'.

[FullDJacket]

Cool. We're on the same page brother. It's just that you think he's a hero and I think he's a monster.

[SmokingGun]

Cool. We're on the same page brother. It's just that you think he's a hero and I think he's a monster.

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