NFL 2010 Thread

[Tymaster]

The last time Brett Favre did not start for his team, I was a freshman in high school. Think about that. All through college and grad school, and ten years in at my job! I've never sat back and thought about that. That's a long ass time. Sadly, Favre will now be remembered as the grey beard who didn't when to hang it up.

Nah....Favre's goodbye has been longer than most, but you'll be surprised how irrelevant that all is in a few years.

Most people can't name where Joe Namath or Johnny Unitas spent the last year of their careers, because nobody cares. In the end Favre's career will be remembered for the highlight reel. And let's not forget he had an amazing year last season - for a 40-year old or for anyone.

Very true. I guess I was speaking from the perspective of a teacher. None of my students were around when Favre was going to war with Young's 9ers or Aikmans 'Boys. Those games were epic. You could go on and on with the list of players who spent a season or two being a shadow of themselves somewhere else:
Tony Dorsett
Emmitt Smith
Franco Harris
OJ Simpson

[Machado]

More reason to dislike this hick from Mississippi:

http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/fan_s ... 41674c1fe/
One of the most historic streaks ever in all of sports has come to an end. The NFL's own Ironman Brett Favre has ended his consecutive starting game streak at 297. Chances are if you're under 40 you don't remember a time in the NFL with out Brett Favre playing on Sunday. This is a monumental feat especially at the quarterback position. Just consider since 1992 the Chicago Bears have watched over 20 QB's start for their team; and the average career length in the NFL is less than four years.

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[bang]

Congrats to Brett Favre for an amazing accomplishment, one that has never been duplicated in the history of sports.

Cal Ripken says hello.

^Yup,

next, he is gonna try and tell us that Poison is the greatest band ever.

[KillDevilHill]

Fuck some baseball player, they dont have 300 pound D tackles trying to knock them out of a game when they throw a pitch.

There is a billion things to shit talk farve about, but I agree no one comes close to his record

[bane]

Fuck some baseball player, they dont have 300 pound D tackles trying to knock them out of a game when they throw a pitch.

There is a billion things to shit talk farve about, but I agree no one comes close to his record

No knock on Favre because his record is incredible, but 162 games a season vs 16 nullifies that D tackle argument. What Ripkin did is just as amazing.

[Tymaster]

Fuck some baseball player, they dont have 300 pound D tackles trying to knock them out of a game when they throw a pitch.

There is a billion things to shit talk farve about, but I agree no one comes close to his record

No knock on Favre because his record is incredible, but 162 games a season vs 16 nullifies that D tackle argument. What Ripkin did is just as amazing.

Let us not forget AC Green.

[poizond13]

Quarterbacks currently playing better than Peyton Manning:

Alphabetically:
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Matt Cassel
Josh Freeman
Philip Rivers
B. Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Michael Vick

So that makes 9 by my count, meaning Manning is barely a top 10 QB this season. Does that sound about right? Am I missing any?

You're an epic asshole. When it's all said and done, the top Quarterbacks of this generation will be ranked as follows:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

[LitaJett]

You're an epic asshole. When it's all said and done, the top Quarterbacks of this generation will be ranked as follows:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

Maybe, maybe not, nobody can say what will happen between those two. He just said this year. But Brady will have at least 4 Super Bowl rings. Manning maybe 2 if he is lucky.

[Luminiferous]

Quarterbacks currently playing better than Peyton Manning:

Alphabetically:
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Matt Cassel
Josh Freeman
Philip Rivers
B. Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Michael Vick

So that makes 9 by my count, meaning Manning is barely a top 10 QB this season. Does that sound about right? Am I missing any?

You're an epic asshole. When it's all said and done, the top Quarterbacks of this generation will be ranked as follows:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

He said CURRENTLY Greg. 2010 season. The same year you claim Peyton is the best EVERY week, when he's not even in the top 10.. He is #1 in ONE category. Passing yards.

According to NFL.com the 2010 leading quarterbacks so far..

1 Tom Brady NE
2 Michael Vick PHI
3 Philip Rivers SD
4 Aaron Rodgers GB
5 Matt Cassel KC
6 Tony Romo DAL
7 Ben Roethlisberger PIT
8 Joe Flacco BAL
9 Drew Brees NO
10 David Garrard JAC
11 Peyton Manning IND

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... onType=REG

[Rainbow Bright]

Clearly this dude had the best view to the pick that cost the Texans the game

[SkyDog112046]

Quarterbacks currently playing better than Peyton Manning:

Alphabetically:
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Matt Cassel
Josh Freeman
Philip Rivers
B. Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Michael Vick

So that makes 9 by my count, meaning Manning is barely a top 10 QB this season. Does that sound about right? Am I missing any?

You're an epic asshole. When it's all said and done, the top Quarterbacks of this generation will be ranked as follows:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

Not only do you know nothing about football, but apparently you can't read either. I said QBs currently playing better, as in this season and more specifically the past couple of months. And right now depending on how you rank QBs Manning is somewhere around 10th or 11th based on current performance.

And when they rank the QBs for this generation most lists will put Brady ahead of Manning the same way they put Montana ahead or Marino. A QB's job is to win championships, and 3 SB is better than 1 SB. The same way 14-4 in the playoffs is better than 9-9 in the playoffs. And most of the time when it came to stats Brady had lesser receivers to work with and once he finally got a pair of top notch receivers he went out and broke Manning's records. And Manning's stats will always look padded because he played the bulk of his career in doors. This isn't a knock on Manning, because he is clearly one of the all time greats, but when all is said and done he won't be considered better than Brady. Especially if Brady gets another ring in the next few years.

[eddie lee roth]

Quarterbacks currently playing better than Peyton Manning:

Alphabetically:
Tom Brady
Drew Brees
Matt Cassel
Josh Freeman
Philip Rivers
B. Roethlisberger
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Ryan
Michael Vick

So that makes 9 by my count, meaning Manning is barely a top 10 QB this season. Does that sound about right? Am I missing any?

You're an epic asshole. When it's all said and done, the top Quarterbacks of this generation will be ranked as follows:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

Not only do you know nothing about football, but apparently you can't read either. I said QBs currently playing better, as in this season and more specifically the past couple of months. And right now depending on how you rank QBs Manning is somewhere around 10th or 11th based on current performance.

And when they rank the QBs for this generation most lists will put Brady ahead of Manning the same way they put Montana ahead or Marino. A QB's job is to win championships, and 3 SB is better than 1 SB. The same way 14-4 in the playoffs is better than 9-9 in the playoffs. And most of the time when it came to stats Brady had lesser receivers to work with and once he finally got a pair of top notch receivers he went out and broke Manning's records. And Manning's stats will always look padded because he played the bulk of his career in doors. This isn't a knock on Manning, because he is clearly one of the all time greats, but when all is said and done he won't be considered better than Brady. Especially if Brady gets another ring in the next few years.

Times 2 it's all about the playoffs and championships if Brady's career ended today Manning still couldn't touch those stats when he retires. I like Peyton too not only as a player but he's funny that shit he did on snl with those little kids was great but he is the same as Staubach was to Bradshaw.

[Facedown]

Fuck some baseball player, they dont have 300 pound D tackles trying to knock them out of a game when they throw a pitch.

There is a billion things to shit talk farve about, but I agree no one comes close to his record

No knock on Favre because his record is incredible, but 162 games a season vs 16 nullifies that D tackle argument. What Ripkin did is just as amazing.

Yup. Baseball is obviously not as physical but just do some numbers:
Brett Favre, starting from 0, at 16 games a season would have to play 164.5 seasons to tie Ripken.
Ripken, starting at 0, would only have to play 1.83 seasons to tie Favre.

[Crazy Levi]

Times 2 it's all about the playoffs and championships if Brady's career ended today Manning still couldn't touch those stats when he retires. I like Peyton too not only as a player but he's funny that shit he did on snl with those little kids was great but he is the same as Staubach was to Bradshaw.

I've got no love for the Pats but I have to agree with this.

Brady is in the discussion for greatest QB of all time. I don't think Peyton is, at least untill he can win a couple more rings.

My pick is Joe Montana - 4 Super Bowls - 4-0 without throwing a single pick. That's amazing.

Brady is right up there though.

[bane]

Times 2 it's all about the playoffs and championships if Brady's career ended today Manning still couldn't touch those stats when he retires. I like Peyton too not only as a player but he's funny that shit he did on snl with those little kids was great but he is the same as Staubach was to Bradshaw.

I've got no love for the Pats but I have to agree with this.

Brady is in the discussion for greatest QB of all time. I don't think Peyton is, at least untill he can win a couple more rings.

My pick is Joe Montana - 4 Super Bowls - 4-0 without throwing a single pick. That's amazing.

Brady is right up there though.

Nobody is going to dipute that Manning is an amazing quarterback, and certainly one of the very best of his era, but "The Greatest" is a really subjective thing. Individual stats, rings, longevity and leadership. etc. all play into it. I think Manning is in the discussion with a few other guys that were great but didn't win many championships, like Marino and Elway, but I'd agree that he's not going to catch up with Brady unless he wins a few more. This year Manning isn't even in the same league as Brady.

[Crazy Levi]

Nobody is going to dipute that Manning is an amazing quarterback, and certainly one of the very best of his era, but "The Greatest" is a really subjective thing. Individual stats, rings, longevity and leadership. etc. all play into it. I think Manning is in the discussion with a few other guys that were great but didn't win many championships, like Marino and Elway, but I'd agree that he's not going to catch up with Brady unless he wins a few more. This year Manning isn't even in the same league as Brady.

For the Colts to be such a dominant team - for a decade - and only come out with one ring doesn't bode well for a Manning greatest campaign. But as you said, one of the best of his era for sure.

[SkyDog112046]

Times 2 it's all about the playoffs and championships if Brady's career ended today Manning still couldn't touch those stats when he retires. I like Peyton too not only as a player but he's funny that shit he did on snl with those little kids was great but he is the same as Staubach was to Bradshaw.

I've got no love for the Pats but I have to agree with this.

Brady is in the discussion for greatest QB of all time. I don't think Peyton is, at least untill he can win a couple more rings.

My pick is Joe Montana - 4 Super Bowls - 4-0 without throwing a single pick. That's amazing.

Brady is right up there though.

Montana is my pick for greatest ever too.

[bane]

For the Colts to be such a dominant team - for a decade - and only come out with one ring doesn't bode well for a Manning greatest campaign.

I agree, but his individual stats are pretty damn amazing. I think rings are important, but they're just part of the story. Trent Dilfer has as many rings as Manning does, but nobody is going to say those two are comparable. Regardless, Manning is going to have to win a couple more to get into the conversation with somebody like Montana, who'd I'd agree is probably the best quarterback to ever play the game.

[SkyDog112046]

For the Colts to be such a dominant team - for a decade - and only come out with one ring doesn't bode well for a Manning greatest campaign.

I agree, but his individual stats are pretty damn amazing. I think rings are important, but they're just part of the story. Trent Dilfer has as many rings as Manning does, but nobody is going to say those two are comparable. Regardless, Manning is going to have to win a couple more to get into the conversation with somebody like Montana, who'd I'd agree is probably the best quarterback to ever play the game.

For a player to be considered "best ever" in any sport they need to bring the whole package - stats, multiple championships, big game wins, and intangibles. I think most of us here are on the same page as far as stats alone not being enough to make an athlete the "best ever" at their sport.

Montana has all of those - 4 rings, good numbers, exceptional performance in big games, and the intangibles such as the way he brought the 49'ers back against Cincy in the SB.

I think Elway can be brought into the "best ever" conversation. He has the numbers, he had some legendary big games, he was one of the best comeback QBs ever, and he carried teams that were a bunch of stiffs to multiple Superbowls before he finally got an RB to help him win it. And he has multiple rings. I still consider Montana better than Elway, but Elway deserves mention.

When I look at Manning I see the stats but not much else. He has a single championship that was spoon-fed to him, he is literally a .500 QB in big games, and he has just as many meltdowns as exceptional performances in big games. And he is abysmal out doors in a sport where weather is a factor. I just can't see someone saying "He's the best ever, but he sucked in the snow and the rain."

I think Brady is approaching being brought into the "best ever" conversation, although he isn't quite there yet. He's got the stats and some very impressive numbers in terms of protecting the ball, his winning percentage is excellent, and he is definitely a big game QB. His intangibles include winning multiple SBs with cast-off receivers and a no-name RB. He is currently putting up unbelievable numbers with a pair of 3rd string RBs, some no name receivers, a pair of rookie TEs, his best receiver coming off knee surgery, and his HOF receiver being traded part way into the season. Another thing going for him will be that he has been a consistent winner in the salary cap era. I don't consider him to be among the best ever at this point, but he has been the best QB in the league for the past decade. I'd say 1 more ring and he joins the conversation with Montana and Elway, 2 more rings and a case could be made for him as best ever.

[bane]

Manning is a lot like Marino minus a bunch of years IMO. There are some people who think Marino is the best ever, so it depends on your criteria. I think Brady, while admittedly a great QB in his own right, and a guy that will go down as one of the greats, owes more to his team's system and coaching. His numbers aren't anywhere close to Manning's and I think Manning will rate higher when it's all said and done. I don't think any of those guys come close to Montana though. That guy had it all.

[NeverSurrender]

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

Fuck that list. Cris Carter wasn't on it, it means nothing.

[Crazy Levi]

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

Fuck that list. Cris Carter wasn't on it, it means nothing.

Fuck Carter. He only catches TDs.

[NeverSurrender]

That will never change. Peyton Manning was already ranked much higher than Brady in the NFL Network's top 100 players of all time.

Fuck that list. Cris Carter wasn't on it, it means nothing.

Fuck Carter. He only catches TDs.

I hope you're just using that tired old joke and really don't mean it.

When he retired he was second in almost everything, and he had the BEST hands ever. Just cause he's a prick doesn't mean he doesn't belong on that list.

Randy Moss at 64? Carter was better than Moss could dream of being. Moss runs one route, and it has stopped working, just like he stopped working. he was better than Michael Irvin too. he did this with a whole different bunch of qb too.

[Crazy Levi]

I hope you're just using that tired old joke and really don't mean it.

When he retired he was second in almost everything, and he had the BEST hands ever. Just cause he's a prick doesn't mean he doesn't belong on that list.

Randy Moss at 64? Carter was better than Moss could dream of being. Moss runs one route, and it has stopped working, just like he stopped working. he was better than Michael Irvin too. he did this with a whole different bunch of qb too.

I could give two fucks about Cris Carter one way or the other.

Just going with the tired old joke.

[poizond13]

Top 25 of NFL Network's top 100 players of all time:

NFL Rank Fans Rank Name Position Team First Year Status Career Watch
1 1 Rice, Jerry WR 49ers 1985 18 seasons Video
2 9 Brown, Jim FB Browns 1957 9 seasons
3 12 Taylor, Lawrence LB Giants 1981 13 seasons Video
4 2 Montana, Joe QB 49ers 1979 12 seasons Video
5 3 Payton, Walter RB Bears 1975 13 seasons Video
6 14 Unitas, Johnny QB Colts 1955 19 seasons
7 11 White, Reggie DE Eagles 1984 17 seasons Video
8 5 Manning, Peyton QB Colts 1998 Active 11 seasons Video
9 - Hutson, Don WR Packers 1935 11 seasons
10 18 Butkus, Dick LB Bears 1965 9 seasons
11 17 Lott, Ronnie DB 49ers 1981 14 seasons
12 80 Munoz, Anthony T Bengals 1980 12 seasons
13 29 Greene, Joe DT Steelers 1969 12 seasons
14 74 Baugh, Sammy QB Redskins 1937 22 seasons
15 43 Jones, Deacon DE Rams 1961 13 seasons
16 75 Graham, Otto QB Browns 1944 12 seasons
17 4 Sanders, Barry RB Lions 1989 10 seasons Video
18 16 Lewis, Ray LB Ravens 1996 Active 11 seasons Video
19 - Nagurski, Bronko FB Bears 1930 14 seasons
20 6 Favre, Brett QB Packers 1991 Active 17 seasons
21 20 Brady, Tom QB Patriots 2000 Active 10 seasons Video
22 26 Sayers, Gale RB Bears 1965 5 seasons
23 8 Elway, John QB Broncos 1983 16 seasons
24 - Hannah, John G Patriots 1973 13 seasons
25 7 Marino, Dan QB Dolphins 1983 16 seasons

NUFF SAID! Patriots have never won a Superbowl because of Brady. Never. They won them on the backs of their defense and kicker. Yes, that's right, their kicker, who sealed each of their Superbowl victories. Brady has never and will never dominate the game the way Peyton Manning does!

[bane]

NUFF SAID! Patriots have never won a Superbowl because of Brady. Never. They won them on the backs of their defense and kicker. Yes, that's right, their kicker, who sealed each of their Superbowl victories. Brady has never and will never dominate the game the way Peyton Manning does!

Not really. For every poll that places Manning above Brady, there's one that does the opposite. It's a subjective thing. Manning didn't do it by himself either. That's why he's stinking up the joint this year.

[poizond13]

NUFF SAID! Patriots have never won a Superbowl because of Brady. Never. They won them on the backs of their defense and kicker. Yes, that's right, their kicker, who sealed each of their Superbowl victories. Brady has never and will never dominate the game the way Peyton Manning does!

Not really. For every poll that places Manning above Brady, there's one that does the opposite. It's a subjective thing. Manning didn't do it by himself either. That's why he's stinking up the joint this year.

I consider this an official list and will take it as pretty much fact. The NFL put together an elite panel to come up with this list. They also had a ranking done by the popular opinion of fans, and Peyton had an even bigger advantage over Brady in that ranking.

The consensus anywhere outside of New England is that Peyton is the better player. Peyton has built his career by carrying this team on his back, making amazing throws, and commanding the game at the line of scrimmage. Brady doesn't come close in this aspect. He's having great success now by basically checking the ball down and letting his midget receivers run with the ball. That isn't hard for a QB to do. Brady= most overrated player of ALL TIME. There's a reason Peyton was the number one overall pick and Brady was taken in the 6th round. Brady is smart and has good intangibles, but his talent level is much, much lower than Peyton's.

[poizond13]

13.5 out of 15 HALL OF FAME quarterbacks chose PEYTON MANNING over Tom Brady! FACT!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274

The debate was over years ago, only a dumb Pats fan would think otherwise.

[poizond13]

NUFF SAID! Patriots have never won a Superbowl because of Brady. Never. They won them on the backs of their defense and kicker. Yes, that's right, their kicker, who sealed each of their Superbowl victories. Brady has never and will never dominate the game the way Peyton Manning does!

Not really. For every poll that places Manning above Brady, there's one that does the opposite. It's a subjective thing. Manning didn't do it by himself either. That's why he's stinking up the joint this year.

Stinking up the joint? LOL, didn't know that leading the league in passing yards qualifies as "stinking up the joint."

[chungasrevenge]

NUFF SAID! Patriots have never won a Superbowl because of Brady. Never. They won them on the backs of their defense and kicker. Yes, that's right, their kicker, who sealed each of their Superbowl victories. Brady has never and will never dominate the game the way Peyton Manning does!

Not really. For every poll that places Manning above Brady, there's one that does the opposite. It's a subjective thing. Manning didn't do it by himself either. That's why he's stinking up the joint this year.

Brady= most overrated player of ALL TIME.