NFL 2010 Thread

[Facedown]

For those of you interested in the Brady vs. Manning discussion:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... n&hpt=Sbin

Of course, p13 will deny that as fact because it's not his opinion.

[bane]

For those of you interested in the Brady vs. Manning discussion:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... n&hpt=Sbin

If Brady is "the most over rated player in NFL history", what does that make Manning?

[TawnyVonJagger]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

And it's Tebow Time from here on out! I think he did pretty well for his first start, but he still has some work to do. He's winning me over.

[SkyDog112046]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

And it's Tebow Time from here on out! I think he did pretty well for his first start, but he still has some work to do. He's winning me over.

There are always those athletes that don't have the classic make up for their position who become successful because they just know how to win. Tebow seems to be one of those guys. Plus he has a great work ethic and good leadership skills. The Broncos would be foolish not to give him a shot.

[Redman77]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

You're teams in the shitter when you look forward to a high draft pick instead of the playoffs. We Lions fans could write a book.

[johnk5150]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

You're teams in the shitter when you look forward to a high draft pick instead of the playoffs. We Lions fans could write a book.

The Lions have a much brighter future than the Broncos. Suh is going to be a beast. Johnson is AWESOME. You need a RB.

And great win against the imposters known as Tampa.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

You're teams in the shitter when you look forward to a high draft pick instead of the playoffs. We Lions fans could write a book.

The Lions have a much brighter future than the Broncos. Suh is going to be a beast. Johnson is AWESOME. You need a RB.

And great win against the imposters known as Tampa.

Yup. Broncos are going to be in serious rebuilding mode for the next few years. Cleaning house, including making room for Elway!

[Tenacious_Dio]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

Yep. It's Carolina vs Denver vs Cincinnati in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. Assuming he comes out, that is.

[Machado]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

Yep. It's Carolina vs Denver vs Cincinnati in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. Assuming he comes out, that is.

Please don't tell me another team is going to choose a QB with the #1 pick.
You know what, that is a very good way to waste a draft pick and millions of dollars.

I understand how well Sam Bradford has played so far this season.
What GM's and head coaches fall to understand is that Bradford is an exception to the rule.
The majority of QB's drafted #1 are doomed for failure and will cost a pretty penny
(Alex Smith and JaMarcus Russell most recently)

[bane]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

And it's Tebow Time from here on out! I think he did pretty well for his first start, but he still has some work to do. He's winning me over.

There are always those athletes that don't have the classic make up for their position who become successful because they just know how to win. Tebow seems to be one of those guys. Plus he has a great work ethic and good leadership skills. The Broncos would be foolish not to give him a shot.

Wasn't he a first round pick? If so, they'd be more than foolish if they didn't give him a shot.

[Redman77]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

You're teams in the shitter when you look forward to a high draft pick instead of the playoffs. We Lions fans could write a book.

The Lions have a much brighter future than the Broncos. Suh is going to be a beast. Johnson is AWESOME. You need a RB.

And great win against the imposters known as Tampa.

Best looks like he could be the real deal. Time to start working on an offensive line and a secondary.

[Facedown]

Colts place Austin Collie on IR.

[johnk5150]

Top 5 draft pick for the Broncos FTW!!

Yep. It's Carolina vs Denver vs Cincinnati in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes. Assuming he comes out, that is.

Please don't tell me another team is going to choose a QB with the #1 pick.
You know what, that is a very good way to waste a draft pick and millions of dollars.

I understand how well Sam Bradford has played so far this season.
What GM's and head coaches fall to understand is that Bradford is an exception to the rule.
The majority of QB's drafted #1 are doomed for failure and will cost a pretty penny
(Alex Smith and JaMarcus Russell most recently)

Tom Brady excepted, aren't most decent qbs in the league high first round picks?

[WTF]

Tom Brady excepted, aren't most decent qbs in the league high first round picks?

Joe Montana was a 3rd rounder. Kurt Warner and Romo I believe were undrafted, but it's got to be a high % of high first rounders that make the large % of better than average QBs.

[SkyDog112046]

Tom Brady excepted, aren't most decent qbs in the league high first round picks?

Joe Montana was a 3rd rounder. Kurt Warner and Romo I believe were undrafted, but it's got to be a high % of high first rounders that make the large % of better than average QBs.

Brees was a 2nd rounder. Marino went in the middle of the 1st round. There are a lot of QBs drafted top 5 that turn out to be busts. At one time there were debates over Bedsoe vs Mirer and Manning vs Leaf. I think overall there are far more busts at the top of the draft then there are successes.

[LetUsPrey]

How about Ryan Leaf writing THREE books?!

Dude is fucking pathetic.

[johnk5150]

My argument, if I'm making one, is that a lot of 1st rounders are busts, but aren't most of the successful ones high 1st rounders?

[NeverSurrender]

seems mixed to me.
BRADY NO, MANNING yes, Rivers yes , Brees no. Rodgers fell but picked what? 21st? Montana no Elway yes. Unitas not sure but the Colts claimed him off the Steelers taxi squad.

[bane]

My argument, if I'm making one, is that a lot of 1st rounders are busts, but aren't most of the successful ones high 1st rounders?

I'm guessing, but I'd say that the majority of starting QBs this year weren't drafted in the first round. Drafting QBs seems to be a crap shoot. For every Manning, there's a Leaf or a Carr. That said, if you need a QB, you've got a number one pick, and there's a guy available that your scouts think is the right guy, you take him. Great quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You can find quality at just about every other position in the later rounds, but the quarterbacks that everybody thinks are the real deal are usually long gone by then.

[Tenacious_Dio]

Please don't tell me another team is going to choose a QB with the #1 pick.

Unlike Bradford, Luck is the consensus #1. He is rated too highly for anyone to pass on him.

The majority of QB's drafted #1 are doomed for failure and will cost a pretty penny

The new collective bargaining agreement is sure to include a rookie salary cap. Bradford was the last one to cash in.

[demolition23]

Tom Brady excepted, aren't most decent qbs in the league high first round picks?

Joe Montana was a 3rd rounder. Kurt Warner and Romo I believe were undrafted, but it's got to be a high % of high first rounders that make the large % of better than average QBs.

Brees was a 2nd rounder. Marino went in the middle of the 1st round. There are a lot of QBs drafted top 5 that turn out to be busts. At one time there were debates over Bedsoe vs Mirer and Manning vs Leaf. I think overall there are far more busts at the top of the draft then there are successes.

Yeah, but look at the teams that top 5 picks go to... A middle round guy is, in most instances, going to a better situation than a top 5 guy. I think when a top 5 guy is a bust we can't overlook the role the situation they're put in plays.

[NeverSurrender]

good point demo.

[SkyDog112046]

My argument, if I'm making one, is that a lot of 1st rounders are busts, but aren't most of the successful ones high 1st rounders?

I'm guessing, but I'd say that the majority of starting QBs this year weren't drafted in the first round. Drafting QBs seems to be a crap shoot. For every Manning, there's a Leaf or a Carr. That said, if you need a QB, you've got a number one pick, and there's a guy available that your scouts think is the right guy, you take him. Great quarterbacks don't grow on trees. You can find quality at just about every other position in the later rounds, but the quarterbacks that everybody thinks are the real deal are usually long gone by then.

With QB being such a hit-or-miss proposition sometimes unless a team is certain a guy is going to be very good then it's better to pass on them and address other needs. A monster pass rusher is just as hard to come by and can have a more immediate impact. If you were picking first and had your choice between any of the QBs from the past 2 drafts or Ndamukong Suh, who would you pick? Unless there is an absolute can't-miss QB like Manning there I think you have to take the pass rusher.

[johnk5150]

Devin Hester made the pro bowl as a kick returner? Shocker.

Suh 1st team all-pro. Dude is scary and I want him out of the NFC north.

[Crazy Levi]

Devin Hester made the pro bowl as a kick returner? Shocker.

Suh 1st team all-pro. Dude is scary and I want him out of the NFC north.

You'll get your wish in about 13 years when Dan Snyder signs him to some huge contract.

[Tenacious_Dio]

Unless there is an absolute can't-miss QB like Manning there I think you have to take the pass rusher.

The scouts are talking up Luck like he's a "can't-miss" guy. Guys like Cam Newton and Ryan Mallett seem to be more of a crap shoot.

[johnk5150]

Unless there is an absolute can't-miss QB like Manning there I think you have to take the pass rusher.

The scouts are talking up Luck like he's a "can't-miss" guy. Guys like Cam Newton and Ryan Mallett seem to be more of a crap shoot.

Hub Arkush of Pro Football weekly thinks Newton's game will translate. Time will tell.

[SkyDog112046]

Suh 1st team all-pro. Dude is scary and I want him out of the NFC north.

Suh is awesome. You add Suh and either a shutdown corner or a top linebacker to a defense and they can make 9 other average defenders into a top defense. If Detroit has a good draft this April they could make a run in the North next year. Imagine that defense with Amukamara defending the opponent's top receiver? If Da'Quan Bowers falls to them and they put him on the D-line with Suh Detroit could have the best D-line in the league.

I will laugh my balls off if Buffalo takes Newton. His skills don't translate into the NFL and they would be better off developing Fitzpatrick and using the pick to build up their lines.

I am really interested to see what New England does in the draft with 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds. The team is really young on defense, so I could see them taking an OT with Oak's pick with Light, Mankins & Neal aging unless one of the top CBs falls to them and then getting a pass rushing LB or DE with their own pick. I'm thinking that they will use 4 of their first 6 picks to build up their lines. I could see them grabbing a WR in the 3rd, but they really haven't had good luck drafting receivers.

[bane]

With QB being such a hit-or-miss proposition sometimes unless a team is certain a guy is going to be very good then it's better to pass on them and address other needs. A monster pass rusher is just as hard to come by and can have a more immediate impact. If you were picking first and had your choice between any of the QBs from the past 2 drafts or Ndamukong Suh, who would you pick? Unless there is an absolute can't-miss QB like Manning there I think you have to take the pass rusher.

There's no such thing as a "can't miss" QB. Leaf was taken before Manning, remember? Pass rushers aren't quite as big a gamble, but they're a guess too. Take Mario Williams. He's up and down with moments where he looks like a monster, and others where he looks lost. His problem is injury for the most part, but my point is, it's always a crap shoot to a certain extent. You have to look at your team's needs, look at who's out there, and take your shot. Generally speaking, a great QB will have a considerably bigger impact on your team's fortunes than any other player though. Take Manning for example. Indy has been dominant for a decade. They wouldn't be without that guy. They've got two really good pass rushers, but their QB is the guy that they live or die with.

[SkyDog112046]

With QB being such a hit-or-miss proposition sometimes unless a team is certain a guy is going to be very good then it's better to pass on them and address other needs. A monster pass rusher is just as hard to come by and can have a more immediate impact. If you were picking first and had your choice between any of the QBs from the past 2 drafts or Ndamukong Suh, who would you pick? Unless there is an absolute can't-miss QB like Manning there I think you have to take the pass rusher.

There's no such thing as a "can't miss" QB. Leaf was taken before Manning, remember? Pass rushers aren't quite as big a gamble, but they're a guess too. Take Mario Williams. He's up and down with moments where he looks like a monster, and others where he looks lost. His problem is injury for the most part, but my point is, it's always a crap shoot to a certain extent. You have to look at your team's needs, look at who's out there, and take your shot. Generally speaking, a great QB will have a considerably bigger impact on your team's fortunes than any other player though. Take Manning for example. Indy has been dominant for a decade. They wouldn't be without that guy. They've got two really good pass rushers, but their QB is the guy that they live or die with.

Manning was taken first, Leaf second. If a team has any question at all about a QB then they are better off going for the pass rusher if there are fewer questions regarding them. The problem is that QB is such a flashy position and teams are under such great pressure to get one that they reach for them and more often than not get guys that go bust.

They say the difference between a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick is only about a 10% talent drop off, and yet a large percentage of those 1st rounders who are busts end up that way because they refuse to be coached whereas players taken 3rd round and later will do whatever they are told. If a team is so bad that they are picking 1st then just being off slightly on a top QB and tossing him out there with a bad team around him is enough to make them a bust. Teams can get very good QBs late 1st round or after. Montana (3rd) and Brady (6th) have won 7 Superbowls between them. Aaron Rodgers looks good because he got a chance to be groomed.

If I'm playing GM(not all of us are as fortunate as P13 and get to run "our" own team ) and an absolute stud DE is on the board then I'm taking him and hoping to do something to either grab a QB late 1st or early 2nd round, or potentially wait it out another year as the team should still be picking in the 1st half of round 1 next year. It's not a bad option to load up on defense and the O-line while you let your QB of the future spend a year on the bench being groomed.