NFL 2010 Thread

[SkyDog112046]

Yeah, but look at the teams that top 5 picks go to... A middle round guy is, in most instances, going to a better situation than a top 5 guy. I think when a top 5 guy is a bust we can't overlook the role the situation they're put in plays.

A lot of the times the mid-rounder is given time on the bench to learn while the #1 guy is forced to play right away to satisfy the ticket holders.

[bane]

With QB being such a hit-or-miss proposition sometimes unless a team is certain a guy is going to be very good then it's better to pass on them and address other needs. A monster pass rusher is just as hard to come by and can have a more immediate impact. If you were picking first and had your choice between any of the QBs from the past 2 drafts or Ndamukong Suh, who would you pick? Unless there is an absolute can't-miss QB like Manning there I think you have to take the pass rusher.

There's no such thing as a "can't miss" QB. Leaf was taken before Manning, remember? Pass rushers aren't quite as big a gamble, but they're a guess too. Take Mario Williams. He's up and down with moments where he looks like a monster, and others where he looks lost. His problem is injury for the most part, but my point is, it's always a crap shoot to a certain extent. You have to look at your team's needs, look at who's out there, and take your shot. Generally speaking, a great QB will have a considerably bigger impact on your team's fortunes than any other player though. Take Manning for example. Indy has been dominant for a decade. They wouldn't be without that guy. They've got two really good pass rushers, but their QB is the guy that they live or die with.

Manning was taken first, Leaf second. If a team has any question at all about a QB then they are better off going for the pass rusher if there are fewer questions regarding them. The problem is that QB is such a flashy position and teams are under such great pressure to get one that they reach for them and more often than not get guys that go bust.

They say the difference between a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick is only about a 10% talent drop off, and yet a large percentage of those 1st rounders who are busts end up that way because they refuse to be coached whereas players taken 3rd round and later will do whatever they are told. If a team is so bad that they are picking 1st then just being off slightly on a top QB and tossing him out there with a bad team around him is enough to make them a bust. Teams can get very good QBs late 1st round or after. Montana (3rd) and Brady (6th) have won 7 Superbowls between them. Aaron Rodgers looks good because he got a chance to be groomed.

If I'm playing GM(not all of us are as fortunate as P13 and get to run "our" own team ) and an absolute stud DE is on the board then I'm taking him and hoping to do something to either grab a QB late 1st or early 2nd round, or potentially wait it out another year as the team should still be picking in the 1st half of round 1 next year. It's not a bad option to load up on defense and the O-line while you let your QB of the future spend a year on the bench being groomed.

I thought Leaf was taken first? Oh well, long time ago, my memory ain't what it used to be I guess.

I think it comes down to your team's unique situation and exactly what is out there. If there's a Suh out there, I'm probably taking him, unless there's a guy like Manning and I need a QB. (both with the benefit of hindsight) At that point, I'm looking around to see what comes closest to filling the need in later rounds (like can I get a good DE in the second round, or can I get a good QB second round etc.) and taking a chance. That said, early first round picks are always a huge gamble. The expectations are so much higher than they are for anyone else, so there are a lot more flops than there are successes, regardless of position.

[Machado]

if i was the GM on an NFL team, i would never take a QB with my #1 pick.
i would rather trade that pick to some other team and in return get multiple draft picks for that particular draft, a future draft or combination of both.

now if there was a rookie salary cap in place, that would change my strategy 360 degrees.

the problem in the past with QB's that are #1 picks are:
they are paid an outrageous amount of $$(putting even more pressure of the player to perform at a high level and to reach that level quicker than anybody else has at the position)

[bane]

if i was the GM on an NFL team, i would never take a QB with my #1 pick.
i would rather trade that pick to some other team and in return get multiple draft picks for that particular draft, a future draft or combination of both.

now if there was a rookie salary cap in place, that would change my strategy 360 degrees.

the problem in the past with QB's that are #1 picks are:
they are paid an outrageous amount of $$(putting even more pressure of the player to perform at a high level and to reach that level quicker than anybody else has at the position)

Trading the top pick is easier said than done a lot of the time. It depends on what's out there that year.

[Crazy Levi]

if i was the GM on an NFL team, i would never take a QB with my #1 pick.
i would rather trade that pick to some other team and in return get multiple draft picks for that particular draft, a future draft or combination of both.

now if there was a rookie salary cap in place, that would change my strategy 360 degrees.

the problem in the past with QB's that are #1 picks are:
they are paid an outrageous amount of $$(putting even more pressure of the player to perform at a high level and to reach that level quicker than anybody else has at the position)

Trading the top pick is easier said than done a lot of the time. It depends on what's out there that year.

Exactly. Fans and the press love "trade down" scenarios but that shit isn't easy to pull off.

Usually, you got that top pick, and you are stuck with it for better or worse. And I don't see how QB is more "bust prone" than any other top 5 pick. Busts happen every year, every draft.

I remember Manning vs. Leaf. It was basically seen as a tossup. The Colts chose wisely, but Leaf was a "no-brainer" as #2.

[poizond13]

if i was the GM on an NFL team, i would never take a QB with my #1 pick.
i would rather trade that pick to some other team and in return get multiple draft picks for that particular draft, a future draft or combination of both.

now if there was a rookie salary cap in place, that would change my strategy 360 degrees.

the problem in the past with QB's that are #1 picks are:
they are paid an outrageous amount of $$(putting even more pressure of the player to perform at a high level and to reach that level quicker than anybody else has at the position)

Trading the top pick is easier said than done a lot of the time. It depends on what's out there that year.

Exactly. Fans and the press love "trade down" scenarios but that shit isn't easy to pull off.

Usually, you got that top pick, and you are stuck with it for better or worse. And I don't see how QB is more "bust prone" than any other top 5 pick. Busts happen every year, every draft.

I remember Manning vs. Leaf. It was basically seen as a tossup. The Colts chose wisely, but Leaf was a "no-brainer" as #2.

Yes, there was a serious debate at the time. Manning was seen as the safe pick who would would become a solid starter but Leaf was seen as having more upside. There was a debate among the talking heads, but the majority of people thought the Colts would choose Manning. I was firmly behind Manning as he seemed like the total package who had the physical talent, but more importantly, a better football mind and seemed like he was willing to put in the time and work it takes to succeed at the position. That turned out to be true to the ultimate degree. Peyton lives and breathes football, there's nobody who puts in more time and works harder than him, and that, along with his physical ability, is what has made him the greatest quarterback of all time. I suspect it only took 2-3 minutes of interviewing Peyton to tell that he was head and shoulders above leaf.

Having said that, Leaf was considered a lock for the #2 pick. With some people, you just can't tell if they will make the ultimate commitment to succeed at this level. It does take a very high level of sacrifice that not many are willing to do. Leaf certainly had the physical skills, but that's only the minimum requirement to succeed as a QB in the NFL.

[Facedown]

is what has made him the greatest quarterback of all time.

This is what makes you a mildly amusing troll.

[poizond13]

is what has made him the greatest quarterback of all time.

This is what makes you a mildly amusing troll.

Aren't you a Pats fan? I mean, besides being a troll.

[SkyDog112046]

I suspect it only took 2-3 minutes of interviewing Peyton to tell that he was head and shoulders above leaf.

I thought you of all people would remember what happened when they interviewed Manning & Leaf. They were neck and neck through the combines, workouts, and testing. And then they went in for interviews. Both of them gave fairly standardized answers to the questions as they had been very well prepared for the interview. But then the Colts threw a curve at them and asked what they planned on doing with the money. Leaf went on in great detail about how he planned on spending it. Manning said he would just put the check in the bank and concentrate on football. Manning showed more maturity, Leaf showed that he had other interests besides football. That's how Indy made it's decision, but it goes to show how close the 2 of them were leading up to the draft.

[Facedown]

is what has made him the greatest quarterback of all time.

This is what makes you a mildly amusing troll.

Aren't you a Pats fan? I mean, besides being a troll.

Proof of being a troll? Thought so.
Manning is not the best quarterback of all time and you know it.
Troll on my friend, troll on.
Oh and...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... n&hpt=Sbin
Please tell us how this is false because it doesn't match your opinion.

[bane]

I don't see how QB is more "bust prone" than any other top 5 pick. Busts happen every year, every draft.

I was bored so I did a little research. Looking at the last 20 years of overall #1's as a sample, and picking Pro Bowl berths as a reasonable barometer of success, DEs are statistically more likely to be busts than QBs. Weird, but true. OT seems to be the safest pick.

[SkyDog112046]

is what has made him the greatest quarterback of all time.

This is what makes you a mildly amusing troll.

Aren't you a Pats fan? I mean, besides being a troll.

The answer to "Who is the greatest QB of all time?" is Joe Montana. It has nothing to do with the team that a person roots for. Elway belongs in the discussion too, but Montana was better. Going back to earlier eras Unitas and Starr deserve mention, but it's apples vs oranges to compare 50's & 60's against 80's and later due to rule changes.

Manning needs at least 2 more rings to join that conversation, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. For such a good QB, his post season numbers aren't that good. He's going to end up in the same category as Marino and Fouts, albeit with a single ring. Lasting memory of Manning at this point: His last SB appearance ended with a pick-6 that lost his team the game.

Brady is borderline right now to join that discussion as he has led his team to 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 SB victories, his post season numbers are incredible, and his regular season efficiency numbers are among the best ever. If he manages to get another championship and adds on another 3-4 quality seasons of numbers then he belongs in that conversation too. Just not yet.

[SkyDog112046]

I don't see how QB is more "bust prone" than any other top 5 pick. Busts happen every year, every draft.

I was bored so I did a little research. Looking at the last 20 years of overall #1's as a sample, and picking Pro Bowl berths as a reasonable barometer of success, DEs are statistically more likely to be busts than QBs. Weird, but true. OT seems to be the safest pick.

Yeah, if a stud LT is on the board it's the safest pick there is. It's also where good value can be had as a lot of teams will grab QB, RB, and DE near the top so the top OT can usually be grabbed 4th or 5th.

One thing to factor in choosing DE vs QB is that there are twice as many DE's in a draft as QB's. I think if you took the top 5 picks and compared DE vs QB and then factored by percentage of bust to pick it might show different results. I'm sure one of the draft gurus has numbers on that so we don't have to bother figuring that out.

[bane]

I don't see how QB is more "bust prone" than any other top 5 pick. Busts happen every year, every draft.

I was bored so I did a little research. Looking at the last 20 years of overall #1's as a sample, and picking Pro Bowl berths as a reasonable barometer of success, DEs are statistically more likely to be busts than QBs. Weird, but true. OT seems to be the safest pick.

Yeah, if a stud LT is on the board it's the safest pick there is. It's also where good value can be had as a lot of teams will grab QB, RB, and DE near the top so the top OT can usually be grabbed 4th or 5th.

One thing to factor in choosing DE vs QB is that there are twice as many DE's in a draft as QB's. I think if you took the top 5 picks and compared DE vs QB and then factored by percentage of bust to pick it might show different results. I'm sure one of the draft gurus has numbers on that so we don't have to bother figuring that out.

You're probably right. There were only 5 defensive players (2 DEs, 3 DTs) taken over all #1 in that sample vs. 11 QBs, so the numbers are pretty skewed. Researching your scenario sounds too much like work to me though!

[poizond13]

Proof of being a troll? Thought so.
Manning is not the best quarterback of all time and you know it.
Troll on my friend, troll on.
Oh and...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... n&hpt=Sbin
Please tell us how this is false because it doesn't match your opinion.

13 out of 15 HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACKS CHOOSE MANNING OVER BRADY!!

I'll trust the opinions of HALL OF FAME QUARTERBACKS over that of some no name loser who writes for SI.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

CASE CLOSED.

Aren't you a Pats fan?

Answer, the question, troll.

[poizond13]

The answer to "Who is the greatest QB of all time?" is Joe Montana. It has nothing to do with the team that a person roots for. Elway belongs in the discussion too, but Montana was better. Going back to earlier eras Unitas and Starr deserve mention, but it's apples vs oranges to compare 50's & 60's against 80's and later due to rule changes.

Manning needs at least 2 more rings to join that conversation, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. For such a good QB, his post season numbers aren't that good. He's going to end up in the same category as Marino and Fouts, albeit with a single ring. Lasting memory of Manning at this point: His last SB appearance ended with a pick-6 that lost his team the game.

Brady is borderline right now to join that discussion as he has led his team to 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 SB victories, his post season numbers are incredible, and his regular season efficiency numbers are among the best ever. If he manages to get another championship and adds on another 3-4 quality seasons of numbers then he belongs in that conversation too. Just not yet.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

[LetUsPrey]

The answer to "Who is the greatest QB of all time?" is Joe Montana. It has nothing to do with the team that a person roots for. Elway belongs in the discussion too, but Montana was better. Going back to earlier eras Unitas and Starr deserve mention, but it's apples vs oranges to compare 50's & 60's against 80's and later due to rule changes.

Manning needs at least 2 more rings to join that conversation, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. For such a good QB, his post season numbers aren't that good. He's going to end up in the same category as Marino and Fouts, albeit with a single ring. Lasting memory of Manning at this point: His last SB appearance ended with a pick-6 that lost his team the game.

Brady is borderline right now to join that discussion as he has led his team to 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 SB victories, his post season numbers are incredible, and his regular season efficiency numbers are among the best ever. If he manages to get another championship and adds on another 3-4 quality seasons of numbers then he belongs in that conversation too. Just not yet.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

Watching the Pats on Sunday night, it's clear they won't make it far in the playoffs. My guess is one and done. They have glaring weaknesses that are just waiting to get exposed. Their defense is horrible overall. Brady doesn't have any dangerous weapons on offense. Heck, the other night he got outplayed by Matt Flynn. A team with a really stout defense will come into Foxboro and shut them down. Better luck next year, Bellicheat.

Hm.. Patriot's PA is 303.. Colts is 342.. Hm..

Sun 9/12 Houston Texans at Houston (0-0) L 24 - 34
Sun 10/3 Jacksonville Jaguars at Jacksonville (1-2) L 28 - 31
Sun 11/7 Philadelphia Eagles at Philadelphia (4-3) L 24 - 26
Sun 11/21 New England Patriots at New England (7-2) L 28 - 31
Sun 11/28 San Diego Chargers San Diego (5-5) L 14 - 36
Sun 12/5 Dallas Cowboys Dallas (3-8) L 35 - 38

''Weaknesses.. Exposed.. Horrible defense.. Outplayed.. Shut them down.. Better luck next year''

Any opinion on that Greg?

[Facedown]

Proof of being a troll? Thought so.
Manning is not the best quarterback of all time and you know it.
Troll on my friend, troll on.
Oh and...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... n&hpt=Sbin
Please tell us how this is false because it doesn't match your opinion.

Answer the TWO questions, troll.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

Yay, a story that's over a year old. How about what they would say today?
How many people have called you a troll before?
How many have called me one?
I rest my case.

[LitaJett]

The answer to "Who is the greatest QB of all time?" is Joe Montana. It has nothing to do with the team that a person roots for. Elway belongs in the discussion too, but Montana was better. Going back to earlier eras Unitas and Starr deserve mention, but it's apples vs oranges to compare 50's & 60's against 80's and later due to rule changes.

Manning needs at least 2 more rings to join that conversation, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. For such a good QB, his post season numbers aren't that good. He's going to end up in the same category as Marino and Fouts, albeit with a single ring. Lasting memory of Manning at this point: His last SB appearance ended with a pick-6 that lost his team the game.

Brady is borderline right now to join that discussion as he has led his team to 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 SB victories, his post season numbers are incredible, and his regular season efficiency numbers are among the best ever. If he manages to get another championship and adds on another 3-4 quality seasons of numbers then he belongs in that conversation too. Just not yet.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

No you didn't the report is from Nov. 15, 2009. And yes Manning had a better season last year, but not this year.

[LetUsPrey]

It's almost not even fun anymore.

But, honestly.. It still is.

[SkyDog112046]

The answer to "Who is the greatest QB of all time?" is Joe Montana. It has nothing to do with the team that a person roots for. Elway belongs in the discussion too, but Montana was better. Going back to earlier eras Unitas and Starr deserve mention, but it's apples vs oranges to compare 50's & 60's against 80's and later due to rule changes.

Manning needs at least 2 more rings to join that conversation, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. For such a good QB, his post season numbers aren't that good. He's going to end up in the same category as Marino and Fouts, albeit with a single ring. Lasting memory of Manning at this point: His last SB appearance ended with a pick-6 that lost his team the game.

Brady is borderline right now to join that discussion as he has led his team to 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 SB victories, his post season numbers are incredible, and his regular season efficiency numbers are among the best ever. If he manages to get another championship and adds on another 3-4 quality seasons of numbers then he belongs in that conversation too. Just not yet.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

Hey dumbfuck - did you even read the article you posted? First off, it was printed in mid-season 2009 and the HOF QB's were asked the question earlier in that season. Most of the QBs polled said that they initially would have taken Brady but since he was just coming off of major surgery they would now have to go with Manning. So it's really just a snap-shot poll of the beginning of 2009. Prior to that the answer was Brady, and I'm sure if they were asked again they would probably choose Brady again. It's just that they weren't sure if he was going to be effective after coming back from a knee reconstruction.

But rather than rely on a poll taken a while ago, how about you just look at the numbers and stop giving Peyton a tongue bath long enough to realize the truth: Statistically they are very close to the same QB except when it comes to big games, and then at that point Brady is the better QB. 3 Superbowls & 14-4 record >> 1 Superbowl & 9-9 record.

[SkyDog112046]

How about our own poll for Brady vs Manning:

It's the AFC Championship game, you are the coach and your team is playing on the road. The temperature is -5, it's snowing, it's windy, and the field is slick. You look down your sideline and see Brady and Manning warming up. Who is going to be your QB?

[poizond13]

LOL, you dumb Pat fans are fucking ridiculous. Stop making excuses for your idol. The poll was based on Brady's and Manning's entire careers- about 10 years give or take. I'm not sure that much would change if the poll was taken a few months or a year later. At most, maybe one or two of them might have a change of heart. But THIRTEEN out of 15 picked Manning. That's not a small advantage. Even if a few of them waffled and changed their minds for whatever reason, there's no way Brady would have the advantage. I'll say it again, THIRTEEN out of 15.

Not to mention, Peyton never had the advantage of videotapes and recordings of the opponents signals and calls.

[poizond13]

The answer to "Who is the greatest QB of all time?" is Joe Montana. It has nothing to do with the team that a person roots for. Elway belongs in the discussion too, but Montana was better. Going back to earlier eras Unitas and Starr deserve mention, but it's apples vs oranges to compare 50's & 60's against 80's and later due to rule changes.

Manning needs at least 2 more rings to join that conversation, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. For such a good QB, his post season numbers aren't that good. He's going to end up in the same category as Marino and Fouts, albeit with a single ring. Lasting memory of Manning at this point: His last SB appearance ended with a pick-6 that lost his team the game.

Brady is borderline right now to join that discussion as he has led his team to 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 SB victories, his post season numbers are incredible, and his regular season efficiency numbers are among the best ever. If he manages to get another championship and adds on another 3-4 quality seasons of numbers then he belongs in that conversation too. Just not yet.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

No you didn't the report is from Nov. 15, 2009. And yes Manning had a better season last year, but not this year.

So why would the result be any different a year later? Peyton had an amazing rest of the season last year, went to another Superbowl, but didn't get the victory. Brady thus far has had a pretty good season but nothing spectacular. So you tell me, why in the world would the results be different a year later?

Stop making excuses for your idol, Pats fag.

[poizond13]

The answer to "Who is the greatest QB of all time?" is Joe Montana. It has nothing to do with the team that a person roots for. Elway belongs in the discussion too, but Montana was better. Going back to earlier eras Unitas and Starr deserve mention, but it's apples vs oranges to compare 50's & 60's against 80's and later due to rule changes.

Manning needs at least 2 more rings to join that conversation, and it doesn't look like that's going to happen. For such a good QB, his post season numbers aren't that good. He's going to end up in the same category as Marino and Fouts, albeit with a single ring. Lasting memory of Manning at this point: His last SB appearance ended with a pick-6 that lost his team the game.

Brady is borderline right now to join that discussion as he has led his team to 4 Superbowl appearances and 3 SB victories, his post season numbers are incredible, and his regular season efficiency numbers are among the best ever. If he manages to get another championship and adds on another 3-4 quality seasons of numbers then he belongs in that conversation too. Just not yet.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

Watching the Pats on Sunday night, it's clear they won't make it far in the playoffs. My guess is one and done. They have glaring weaknesses that are just waiting to get exposed. Their defense is horrible overall. Brady doesn't have any dangerous weapons on offense. Heck, the other night he got outplayed by Matt Flynn. A team with a really stout defense will come into Foxboro and shut them down. Better luck next year, Bellicheat.

Hm.. Patriot's PA is 303.. Colts is 342.. Hm..

Sun 9/12 Houston Texans at Houston (0-0) L 24 - 34
Sun 10/3 Jacksonville Jaguars at Jacksonville (1-2) L 28 - 31
Sun 11/7 Philadelphia Eagles at Philadelphia (4-3) L 24 - 26
Sun 11/21 New England Patriots at New England (7-2) L 28 - 31
Sun 11/28 San Diego Chargers San Diego (5-5) L 14 - 36
Sun 12/5 Dallas Cowboys Dallas (3-8) L 35 - 38

''Weaknesses.. Exposed.. Horrible defense.. Outplayed.. Shut them down.. Better luck next year''

Any opinion on that Greg?

Um. You want my opinion on our losses? They were losses. They sucked. That good enough for you?

[poizond13]

Proof of being a troll? Thought so.
Manning is not the best quarterback of all time and you know it.
Troll on my friend, troll on.
Oh and...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/w ... n&hpt=Sbin
Please tell us how this is false because it doesn't match your opinion.

Answer the TWO questions, troll.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33937274/ns/sports-nfl/

I rest my case.

Yay, a story that's over a year old. How about what they would say today?
How many people have called you a troll before?
How many have called me one?
I rest my case.

[LetUsPrey]

Better luck next year, Greg.

[LitaJett]

Brady thus far has had a pretty good season but nothing spectacular. So you tell me, why in the world would the results be different a year later?

Stop making excuses for your idol, Pats fag.

You really are an idiot. How many Interceptions has Manning thrown this year? How many has Brady thrown? And when exactly was Brady's last interception compared to Manning's?

[poizond13]

Brady thus far has had a pretty good season but nothing spectacular. So you tell me, why in the world would the results be different a year later?

Stop making excuses for your idol, Pats fag.

You really are an idiot. How many Interceptions has Manning thrown this year? How many has Brady thrown? And when exactly was Brady's last interception compared to Manning's?

Doesn't matter. It's one season. The poll was based on their entire careers. Sure, Brady is having a better season this year. But Peyton is still having a magnificent season by any standards, and look at all the injuries he's had to deal with.

Regardless, none of that would change the results of the poll. Reasons the hall of famers chose Peyton: his work ethic, his command and knowledge of the system he plays in, the way he has revolutionized the game with his control at the line of scrimmage, his accuracy. None of that has changed in the past year. The results of the poll would be exactly the same today.

[Facedown]

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Way to answer the questions, troll.
I was going to post that you not put up your old failsafe troll spray pic but there it is and it's not working, you're still here.
By the way, that article was based on peoples OPINIONS.
The article you refuse to acknowledge had STATS and FACTS to back up the claims.

Brady thus far has had a pretty good season but nothing spectacular.

2010 Tom Brady 109.9 Rating, 66.5 Completion%, 3561 Yards, 31 TD, 4 INT.
2010 Peyton Manning 92.1 Rating, 66.9 Completion%, 4257 Yards, 28 TD, 15 INT.
Before you drool about the yardage, that's with 159 more attempts.
If Bradys season is "nothing spectacular", Peytons must be downright horrible.
You're either a troll or know nothing about football. Which is it?