The COLTS Road BACK To The Superbowl Starts Sunday!!

[bane]

You can't hang that "Marino" shit on him. He WON a Super Bowl. Manning is more like Brett Favre, minus the complete douchiness and sleaziness.

He's a great QB who has won a Super Bowl and lost a bunch of playoff games. He's not the Buffalo Bills, he's the Atlanta Braves.

And of course he'll never catch Brady. Brady is making a strong case for himself as the greatest QB of all time, while Manning is only making a case for himself as one of the greatest of all time. Elway, Steve Young, etc....it's really not bad company to keep.

Manning won one, where Marino didn't, yeah, but he's like Marino with the stellar numbers without much in the way of rings to show for it. Manning's numbers are far beyond anybody else's (including Brady) except Marino at this point. Looking at stats, he's blowing the rest of the guys you mentioned out of the water. I think Manning has the skills to be THE greatest ever, but he won't be because he doesn't have the rings, just like Marino.

[exitflagger]

Fuck those fags. Breesus saves!



Okay, not this year. But he came within 16 yards of Marino's single season record AND has a ring.

[bane]

Fuck those fags. Breesus saves!



Okay, not this year. But he came within 16 yards of Marino's single season record AND has a ring.

Dude, he got beat by the Seahawks. Nuff said.

[exitflagger]

Hence the "not this year" disclaimer. He's just getting started.

Let me tell YOU something, pendejo. Nobody fucks with the Breesus!

[bane]

Hence the "not this year" disclaimer. He's just getting started.

Let me tell YOU something, pendejo. Nobody fucks with the Breesus!

Super Bowl champs going down in the first round to a 7-9 team has to knock some of the shine off man. That's all I'm sayin'. He's got a bright future, but I think it's gonna take a while to wash that bad taste out.

[exitflagger]

He's got a bright future

"Jou said it, mang..."

[Crazy Levi]

Manning won one, where Marino didn't, yeah, but he's like Marino with the stellar numbers without much in the way of rings to show for it. .

My point is just that there's guys like Marino, Archie Manning, and Dan Fouts who put up huge numbers and NEVER won a ring, and there's guys who did win a ring. You simply can't compare them.

Ask Marino if he'd trade a few of his records for a ring and I'm sure he'd tell you he would.

Manning is never going to have to deal with the "can't win the big one" thing, cause he has won the big one. Once. That's not too shabby, even for an elite QB.

Manning just has to deal with "loses half the time in the playoffs" which isn't much of a knock really.

[poizond13]

It's a team sport. Brady didn't do it by himself. Manning has the numbers to make a it a legit rivalry.

Ding Ding Ding

I agree, there is no debate. 13 out of 15 hall of fame QBs chose Manning over Brady. 2 votes for Brady isn't enough to make it much of a debate.

Oh there's a debate. Both of them are great QBs. I have the benefit of not having a bias either way, and at this point, Manning is Marino. There are some people who think Marino is the best ever. It comes down to criteria. If Brady wins another one, which it looks like he might, he moves into Montana territory. When it's said and done and both of those guys are sitting around on their mounds of money, Manning will be second to Brady in most people's minds unless the Colts can manage to win a few more rings. Manning is getting old. He doesn't have much time left to play catch up.

I understand the whole "rings" argument, but I've never particularly agreed with it. Football is the ultimate team sport. It's not like basketball, for example, where one player can literally take over a game on his own and will his team to victory. Fact is, you could be the greatest quarterback of all time, but if you don't have a good team around you, you aren't gonna win diddly poo. Now Tom Brady has proven he's a good quarterback who can manage the game well, execute a game plan to perfection, make good reads, and make some solid throws as well. However, he is not a coach on the field like Peyton Manning is. He can't make the types of throws that Peyton has made throughout his career. He can't win games when his defense and running game are almost non-existent, as Peyton has done very often. Peyton is the type of quarterback you want to build your team around. Brady is the guy you would only want if you already have an excellent defense and running game. It's that simple.

[Crazy Levi]

Peyton is the type of quarterback you want to build your team around. Brady is the guy you would only want if you already have an excellent defense and running game. It's that simple.

You were actually making sense until here.

I got a shock for you...if all 32 NFL teams had to start from scratch, I'll bet you more teams would pick Brady to "build their team around" than Peyton. Cause Peyton is GREAT, but Brady is probably the best QB ever.

But why are we even discussing this? You are have your rare lucid moments, but it's simply impossible to discuss football with you, which is a shame.

[Luminiferous]

Peyton is the type of quarterback you want to build your team around.

Not if you want a winning playoff record...

[UtahRatt]

[poizond13]

Peyton is the type of quarterback you want to build your team around. Brady is the guy you would only want if you already have an excellent defense and running game. It's that simple.

You were actually making sense until here.

I got a shock for you...if all 32 NFL teams had to start from scratch, I'll bet you more teams would pick Brady to "build their team around" than Peyton. Cause Peyton is GREAT, but Brady is probably the best QB ever.

But why are we even discussing this? You are have your rare lucid moments, but it's simply impossible to discuss football with you, which is a shame.

Well, I'd have to disagree with you there. Peyton is always the guy who has done more with less. Brady won his Superbowls when New England had a dominant defense and an effective running game. Peyton has rarely had both of those things in his career.

New England went 11-5 without Brady. Belichick's system and coaching made Matt Cassell look like the next superstar. If Peyton missed an entire season, we wouldn't win more than 3 or 4 games, if that. Our team was built around Peyton Manning, literally. The Patriots are built around defense and game management. Brady just fits in perfectly with the system. Plug someone else into the system, like Matt Cassell, and the results would be similar.

Brady is not the best quarterback of all time. Never will be. When it's all said done, Peyton Manning will be the undisputed greatest of all time.

[poizond13]

I found this to be a good read: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5819047

It's an excellent comparison of Brady and Manning. They break it down by an abundance of different categories. They also have a panel of 4 former players and one scout who vote on which player is better in each category. Overall, they gave the edge to Peyton. But the most interesting part, to me, was the question of "who will history remember as the better QB?" The panel voted overwhelmingly in favor of Manning, 5-0. Tim Hasselbeck's analysis was spot on and pretty much mirrors everything I've been saying all along:

I say Peyton Manning because of the consecutive-games-played streak (now at 200), because of the insane passing statistics that he continues to compile and because he changed what a quarterback does at the line of scrimmage. Every time he walks to the line, almost anything could happen. He goes to the line with the ability to get into the right play, no matter what it is. Teams have changed the way they play defense against him by disguising their schemes as long as they can. The Colts' version of the no-huddle offense has also changed the game by taking teams out of their third-down pressure packages. It also is very different because even though they don't huddle, they often snap the ball right before the play clock expires, which creates problems for the defense as they try not to show their hand to Peyton too early.

Out of all the categories, Peyton Maning won 11, while Brady won 4.

[Luminiferous]

When it's all said done, Peyton Manning will be the undisputed greatest of all time.

[SkyDog112046]

Well, I'd have to disagree with you there. Peyton is always the guy who has done more with less. Brady won his Superbowls when New England had a dominant defense and an effective running game. Peyton has rarely had both of those things in his career.

New England went 11-5 without Brady. Belichick's system and coaching made Matt Cassell look like the next superstar. If Peyton missed an entire season, we wouldn't win more than 3 or 4 games, if that. Our team was built around Peyton Manning, literally. The Patriots are built around defense and game management. Brady just fits in perfectly with the system. Plug someone else into the system, like Matt Cassell, and the results would be similar.

Brady is not the best quarterback of all time. Never will be. When it's all said done, Peyton Manning will be the undisputed greatest of all time.

Your argument is flawed in several ways.

First, Brady got his team to 14-2 this year with a defense that was ranked 28th in the league most of the season. And he did it with an offense that was missing 3 starting linemen, had cast-offs at RB, and a receiving core that was rebuilt midway through the season. If you can't give him credit for that you are disqualified from talking about football from here on out.

Second, after going most of his career with no-name receivers, in 2007 Brady finally got some weapons on offense and went on to set a bunch of records in what was the best season statistically by a QB ever. He took his team to a 16-0 regular season and a Superbowl appearance. Then he got injured. Matt Cassel stepped in to the same exact offense and went 11-5. Good for a backup, but still a 5 game drop off from the previous season with Brady at the helm.

Third, New England hasn't been about game management since Brady's first or second season. If you had watched them play more than once a year you would have seen that Brady runs that offense by exploiting matchups, making quick reads, adjusting the play at the line, and getting the ball to an open receiver quickly. Game manager QBs don't average more than 30 points a game like Brady does.

Fourth, I don't think anyone has proclaimed Brady the greatest ever. Most people, including myself, would put Montana ahead of everyone and a few more QBs such as Elway right behind Montana. But a case can definitely be made for Brady being the best QB of the salary cap era(QBs who played the bulk of their career after 1994).

As for Manning vs Brady, Manning had a very good defense and a slew of all-pro weapons around him at WR and RB while Brady did have a good defense but played with mainly stiffs such as Antawain Smith, Jermaine Wiggins, and Reche Caldwell on offense. Brady's main advantage was having Belichick. And it all comes down to winning championships, which at this point favors Brady 3-1. Manning has to narrow that gap to be considered better than Brady.

[Crazy Levi]

Peyton is the type of quarterback you want to build your team around. Brady is the guy you would only want if you already have an excellent defense and running game. It's that simple.

You were actually making sense until here.

I got a shock for you...if all 32 NFL teams had to start from scratch, I'll bet you more teams would pick Brady to "build their team around" than Peyton. Cause Peyton is GREAT, but Brady is probably the best QB ever.

But why are we even discussing this? You are have your rare lucid moments, but it's simply impossible to discuss football with you, which is a shame.

Well, I'd have to disagree with you there. Peyton is always the guy who has done more with less. Brady won his Superbowls when New England had a dominant defense and an effective running game. Peyton has rarely had both of those things in his career. .

You make no fucking sense. You say "football is the ultimate team sport," and then you take points away from Brady because he was a GOOD TEAM, and say that Peyton is the guy to "build a team around." Which isn't relevant, according to you, because football is "the ultimate team sport."

Get your head out of your ass and pick an argument.

[WTF]

He can't win games when his defense and running game are almost non-existent, as Peyton has done very often. Peyton is the type of quarterback you want to build your team around. Brady is the guy you would only want if you already have an excellent defense and running game. It's that simple.

You do realize, Peenut, that Green-Ellis had 1008 yds rushing this year, right? And you do realize he is the first Patriot to go over 1000 yds since Corey Dillon in 2004, right?

[SkyDog112046]

What time is the Colt's game this weekend?

[cantstopthemusic]

Brady won his Superbowls

Superbowl?

Is that what that haircut is called?

[bigbuttskinner]

No one will ever be the "undisputed best QB of all time." But Brady is much closer to that than Manning will ever be.

[MurrayFiend]

We shall see, my son. We shall see.

Funny enough, anyway. I guess.

[poizond13]

BREAKING NEWS: Practice at the Jets Stadium was delayed 2 hours yesterday after a player found a white powdery substance on the ground. Police and Homeland Security investigated. Experts determined that the white substance, unfamiliar to most of the players, was in fact the goal line. Practice will resume since the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again.

[MasterOfMeatPuppets]

The COLTS Road BACK To The Superbowl Starts Here!!

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Peepee pointing out anybody else's fail = RICH

[bane]

I understand the whole "rings" argument, but I've never particularly agreed with it. Football is the ultimate team sport. It's not like basketball, for example, where one player can literally take over a game on his own and will his team to victory. Fact is, you could be the greatest quarterback of all time, but if you don't have a good team around you, you aren't gonna win diddly poo. Now Tom Brady has proven he's a good quarterback who can manage the game well, execute a game plan to perfection, make good reads, and make some solid throws as well. However, he is not a coach on the field like Peyton Manning is. He can't make the types of throws that Peyton has made throughout his career. He can't win games when his defense and running game are almost non-existent, as Peyton has done very often. Peyton is the type of quarterback you want to build your team around. Brady is the guy you would only want if you already have an excellent defense and running game. It's that simple.

They both have their pros and cons, but I'd point out that Brady is better when the pressure is on than Manning is. Compare their playoff INTs and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's tough to blame a QB's interceptions on his defense.

[Machado]

Can someone tell me how the Colts did this past weekend in the playoff game?

[MonkeyBoy]

Can someone tell me how the Colts did this past weekend in the playoff game?

I heard Manning put some money on the Pats but I'm not sure who the other colts bet on.

[Luminiferous]

Actually Peyton canceled the bet within 10 minutes, so it was voided...

[Machado]

What time is the Colt's game this weekend?

Has P13 been able to locate the kick-off start via his t.v. guide already?

[poizond13]

What time is the Colt's game this weekend?

Has P13 been able to locate the kick-off start via his t.v. guide already?

Yes, it's at the same time as the Cowboys game.

While we're on the Subject, how did the Cowboys do in the post season this year? Will they be playing in the Superbowl that's taking place in their own stadium as Jerry Jones predicted??