NFL 2011 Thread

[Tymaster]

Okay, that's 2 wins for Indy, with a very winnable game against the Jags next week. So long, Andrew Luck?

You have to wonder what approach you take. Because Minny and St. Louis have the same record. Tampa Bay and Cleveland aren't far behind. Word from the North Coast is that Mike Holmgren may have indeed lost faith in Colt McCoy. I think he really needs to "lose faith" in Pat Shurmur, but Holmgren's ego would never admit to hiring a bad coach.

Back to Indy. The Colts need a lot more help than at quarterback to become a Super Bowl contender again. Their rushing defense is ranked 28th in the NFL, and as a whole, Indy's defense has no playmakers who can change games with huge defensive play. How many years does Peyton have left? Do you build around him? Do you draft Luck and have him sit behind Peyton ala Young/Montana or Rodgers/Favre? If you do land the number one pick to you trade it to another QB desperate team who will grossly overpay you, like Ditka did with the Saints, for that pick? Lots of intrigue.

[Machado]

Okay, that's 2 wins for Indy, with a very winnable game against the Jags next week. So long, Andrew Luck?

You have to wonder what approach you take. Because Minny and St. Louis have the same record. Tampa Bay and Cleveland aren't far behind. Word from the North Coast is that Mike Holmgren may have indeed lost faith in Colt McCoy. I think he really needs to "lose faith" in Pat Shurmur, but Holmgren's ego would never admit to hiring a bad coach.

Back to Indy. The Colts need a lot more help than at quarterback to become a Super Bowl contender again. Their rushing defense is ranked 28th in the NFL, and as a whole, Indy's defense has no playmakers who can change games with huge defensive play. How many years does Peyton have left? Do you build around him? Do you draft Luck and have him sit behind Peyton ala Young/Montana or Rodgers/Favre? If you do land the number one pick to you trade it to another QB desperate team who will grossly overpay you, like Ditka did with the Saints, for that pick? Lots of intrigue.

The Colts need to do the right thing by Manning and let him go to another team.
At his age and coming off a serious injury, the Colts must understand that putting Peyton through another "rebuilding phase" is unfair to someone that gave his all on the field for that franchise.
Furthermore, does Peyton want to remain a Colt, knowing this team is not very good right now and might need several years to be a contender?
Not sure how much loyalty he has there.
Colts and Peyton should part ways, allow for their #1 pick at QB to develop and take control of that team for the next 5-10 seasons.

[Tymaster]

Okay, that's 2 wins for Indy, with a very winnable game against the Jags next week. So long, Andrew Luck?

You have to wonder what approach you take. Because Minny and St. Louis have the same record. Tampa Bay and Cleveland aren't far behind. Word from the North Coast is that Mike Holmgren may have indeed lost faith in Colt McCoy. I think he really needs to "lose faith" in Pat Shurmur, but Holmgren's ego would never admit to hiring a bad coach.

Back to Indy. The Colts need a lot more help than at quarterback to become a Super Bowl contender again. Their rushing defense is ranked 28th in the NFL, and as a whole, Indy's defense has no playmakers who can change games with huge defensive play. How many years does Peyton have left? Do you build around him? Do you draft Luck and have him sit behind Peyton ala Young/Montana or Rodgers/Favre? If you do land the number one pick to you trade it to another QB desperate team who will grossly overpay you, like Ditka did with the Saints, for that pick? Lots of intrigue.

The Colts need to do the right thing by Manning and let him go to another team.
At his age and coming off a serious injury, the Colts must understand that putting Peyton through another "rebuilding phase" is unfair to someone that gave his all on the field for that franchise.
Furthermore, does Peyton want to remain a Colt, knowing this team is not very good right now and might need several years to be a contender?
Not sure how much loyalty he has there.
Colts and Peyton should part ways, allow for their #1 pick at QB to develop and take control of that team for the next 5-10 seasons.

I would agree with that assessment. People that think Manning would have somehow made this a SB team are really just kidding themselves. Obviously he would've made them competitive enough to probably win a fairly weak division, but this team has holes all over it. Starting at the top with Clueless Caldwell. But I am not sure of any team that immediately becomes a Super Bowl contender with the addition of Peyton Manning. Most teams poised to win, have their QB in place. The Redskins would improve, but enough to compete for the big one? Dallas, but Jerry Jones is sold on Romo. And I'm not sure that Peyton Manning at this stage of his career, his age, and recovering from an injury is better than Romo. What are your thoughts Machado?

[Machado]

The Colts need to do the right thing by Manning and let him go to another team.
At his age and coming off a serious injury, the Colts must understand that putting Peyton through another "rebuilding phase" is unfair to someone that gave his all on the field for that franchise.
Furthermore, does Peyton want to remain a Colt, knowing this team is not very good right now and might need several years to be a contender?
Not sure how much loyalty he has there.
Colts and Peyton should part ways, allow for their #1 pick at QB to develop and take control of that team for the next 5-10 seasons.

I would agree with that assessment. People that think Manning would have somehow made this a SB team are really just kidding themselves. Obviously he would've made them competitive enough to probably win a fairly weak division, but this team has holes all over it. Starting at the top with Clueless Caldwell. But I am not sure of any team that immediately becomes a Super Bowl contender with the addition of Peyton Manning. Most teams poised to win, have their QB in place. The Redskins would improve, but enough to compete for the big one? Dallas, but Jerry Jones is sold on Romo. And I'm not sure that Peyton Manning at this stage of his career, his age, and recovering from an injury is better than Romo. What are your thoughts Machado?

Obviously I am going to side w/Romo.
He is much younger and also playing very, very well at the QB spot.
Peyton is older, has been recovering from a neck injury and there is no guarantee he can play at a high level once again.
Dallas is not a team that is in need of a veteran QB that wants to be the #1 guy.
There are many teams that can use Peyton and the Skins are one of them. That team might have enough $$ to sign Peyton for a 2 or 3 yr deal.

Peyton is in the twilight of his career, so I just can't imagine he would choose to stay put, and go through another 3-4 yrs of rebuilding. By the time that team is ready to contend for another SB, will Peyton be ready? I don't think so. Very difficult for a 40 yr old QB to play at a high level.

[Crazy Levi]

It really is one of the most compelling NFL stories going into the offseason - the future of Peyton Manning. Sounds like he is really coming along on his rehab and will play next year.

I really can't believe that P13 is taking Poian's bullshit at face value. They are pumping up both Peyton's trade value AND the value of their own pick.

Manning would look good in a Redskins uniform. That team is in better shape than they look. Coming off a fantastic draft, and the YOUNG (for the first time in ages) defense is top 10 this year.

Good running back, even the always shitty O-line is showing improvement. Another good draft and a good QB and they could contend next year.

[Tymaster]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

[Crazy Levi]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

I don't think there's a chance the Cowboys go for him. Romo is a good QB - I saw that with my own eyes at the Skins/Dallas game this year.

But the Jets, Chiefs, and Dolphins all seem like logical places for him to go.

Especially the Jets.

[Machado]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

There are maybe a few other teams that might make sense:

Titans
**i think this destination makes a lot of sense. he can "go home". that state loves him already. not sure if the team has enough money to pay the guy

Rams
**bradford has had 1 good year and this year he did not progress so much. could be a situation where Manning can teach bradford how to play the QB position

Browns
**Colt is not a top tier NFL qb and never will be. the guy is a Ty Detmer type at best and would never be able to carry Flutie's jock

[Tymaster]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

There are maybe a few other teams that might make sense:

Titans
**i think this destination makes a lot of sense. he can "go home". that state loves him already. not sure if the team has enough money to pay the guy

Rams
**bradford has had 1 good year and this year he did not progress so much. could be a situation where Manning can teach bradford how to play the QB position

Browns
**Colt is not a top tier NFL qb and never will be. the guy is a Ty Detmer type at best and would never be able to carry Flutie's jock

Right...but I thought the prevailing thought was that Peyton would only go to a CONTENDER.

[Crazy Levi]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

There are maybe a few other teams that might make sense:

Titans
**i think this destination makes a lot of sense. he can "go home". that state loves him already. not sure if the team has enough money to pay the guy

Rams
**bradford has had 1 good year and this year he did not progress so much. could be a situation where Manning can teach bradford how to play the QB position

Browns
**Colt is not a top tier NFL qb and never will be. the guy is a Ty Detmer type at best and would never be able to carry Flutie's jock

These teams all suck. And I don't see ANYBODY bringing in Peyton with the idea that he'll "mentor" someone. Everyone knows he takes all the snaps, and look at Painter...that mentoring went real well.

[Machado]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

There are maybe a few other teams that might make sense:

Titans
**i think this destination makes a lot of sense. he can "go home". that state loves him already. not sure if the team has enough money to pay the guy

Rams
**bradford has had 1 good year and this year he did not progress so much. could be a situation where Manning can teach bradford how to play the QB position

Browns
**Colt is not a top tier NFL qb and never will be. the guy is a Ty Detmer type at best and would never be able to carry Flutie's jock

Right...but I thought the prevailing thought was that Peyton would only go to a CONTENDER.

I'm sure if the stars lined up just right for him, he could go play for
a contender. Not sure how simple that will be.

Jets, Bears and Cardinals might be desperate enough to sign the
veteran.

Irsay paid Peyton $26 million this season.
Irsay has until March 2012 before he would have to pay Peyton
$28 million more.
WTF!!!
What other owner would pay a veteran QB, coming off a serious neck injury that amount of $$$

[Tymaster]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

There are maybe a few other teams that might make sense:

Titans
**i think this destination makes a lot of sense. he can "go home". that state loves him already. not sure if the team has enough money to pay the guy

Rams
**bradford has had 1 good year and this year he did not progress so much. could be a situation where Manning can teach bradford how to play the QB position

Browns
**Colt is not a top tier NFL qb and never will be. the guy is a Ty Detmer type at best and would never be able to carry Flutie's jock

These teams all suck. And I don't see ANYBODY bringing in Peyton with the idea that he'll "mentor" someone. Everyone knows he takes all the snaps, and look at Painter...that mentoring went real well.

Good call on the mentoring thing. He obviously didn't do a damned thing to help his back ups along.

[poizond13]

Great interview with Jim Irsay on the NFL Network pre game show. He made it crystal clear that if Peyton is healthy, he will be a COLT next year!! He said $$ is not an issue, and if a good quarterback is available in the draft, he would not hesitate to take him. .

You can't really be this stupid.

Umm...yeah right. You actually can, as your track record shows.

You REALLY think the CEO of the Colts is just throwing his entire draft/offseason strategy out there for everybody to see? Even HE isn't that stupid.

He's just trying to drive up the value of whatever pick he ends up with. You can't take any of that bullshit seriously.

Wrong. Sorry but your logic makes no sense. Even IF Mr.Irsay wanted to go on national TV and lie in order boost the value of his assets (which he wouldn't), what you're saying doesn't make any sense. Firstly, we would never TRADE Peyton Manning. Never going to happen. If, for some ludicrous reason we wanted to part ways with a healthy Peyton Manning, our only option would be to release him. Why? Because he is due a $28 Million option before the 2012 league year. The option must be paid before he is traded. If we keep Peyton, the cap number is about $17millions next year. If he's traded, that entire $28 million will count against our cap next year! Now why in the world would we trade a player who is going to count that much against our cap? The answer is, it would never happen. Anybody who has any football knowledge at all knows that would never happen.

So given the fact that we would not trade him, what purpose does it serve to go on TV and lie about the intention to bring him back?? It serves absolutely no purpose. Thus, your logic holds no water. You shouldn't run your mouth on a subject that you don't know much about. Just like when you said not long ago that Peyton would NEVER play again, now you are admitting it looks good for his return.

Secondly, if you listened closely, Irsay did not give away anything regarding our draft strategy. He simply said "IF" a good QB is available, he wouldn't hesitate to take him. That's the same thing he's been saying for months. It doesn't boost or lower the value of whatever pick we might eventually land. Anyone can tell you, if you've listened to what Irsay and Polian have been saying for weeks, is that their preferred scenario would be to keep Peyton and have his successor sit behind him and learn for a few years.

[Crazy Levi]

P13 - that's a whole lot of word salad that doesn't change the fact that there is NO reason to believe that polian is anything more than blowing hot air.

Nobody knows what will happen in the draft or with Peyton, and anything being said now has absolutely NO effect on what will happen over the next few months.

[Tymaster]

P13 - that's a whole lot of word salad that doesn't change the fact that there is NO reason to believe that polian is anything more than blowing hot air.

Nobody knows what will happen in the draft or with Peyton, and anything being said now has absolutely NO effect on what will happen over the next few months.

Don't even waste your breath discussing logic with P13.

[Crazy Levi]

But you can tell there's some football IQ in there SOMEWHERE just aching to get out.

His brain is tired of spouting nutswinging horseshit with no basis in reality, but his heart keeps him out of the game of actual discussion.

He's so close to becoming a useful member of the Locker Room he can TASTE IT.

Like the gentle musk of Bret michael's balls that he senses whenever poison is within a couple states.

Let's help p13 be the best he can be.

[poizond13]

P13 - that's a whole lot of word salad that doesn't change the fact that there is NO reason to believe that polian is anything more than blowing hot air.

Nobody knows what will happen in the draft or with Peyton, and anything being said now has absolutely NO effect on what will happen over the next few months.

Don't even waste your breath discussing logic with P13.

Who are you again? I could be wrong, but aren't you the guy who's wife divorced you because you were a dead beat, bankrupt fuck?

Based on those facts, I wouldn't bother discussing logic with you.

[Crazy Levi]

Jesus man...dropping the divorce bomb over a little locker room beef?

Come on man, a little restraint.

[Tymaster]

P13 - that's a whole lot of word salad that doesn't change the fact that there is NO reason to believe that polian is anything more than blowing hot air.

Nobody knows what will happen in the draft or with Peyton, and anything being said now has absolutely NO effect on what will happen over the next few months.

Don't even waste your breath discussing logic with P13.

Who are you again? I could be wrong, but aren't you the guy who's wife divorced you because you were a dead beat, bankrupt fuck?

Based on those facts, I wouldn't bother discussing logic with you.

No it's called living life. Once you leave your mom's basement, you'll understand.

[poizond13]

P13 - that's a whole lot of word salad that doesn't change the fact that there is NO reason to believe that polian is anything more than blowing hot air.

Nobody knows what will happen in the draft or with Peyton, and anything being said now has absolutely NO effect on what will happen over the next few months.

First off, it was Irsay giving the interview, not Polian. I will admit, Polian has always been one to throw out smoke screens and not give accurate information to the public about the team's strategy. After all, he's president of the team, that's his job. But Irsay on the other hand has always been one to speak honestly and speak from the heart on most issues. He hinted at Peyton being out for a long time on twitter, before the news actually broke. He's always been honest and straightforward when it comes to the team, that's just his style.

I said before, nothing is decided at this point, nothing is for sure. But I am positive that Irsay is being honest when he says that he wants to bring Peyton Manning back, if he's healthy. He has ZERO incentive to lie about that anyway.

[bane]

Awesome ending to Texans @ Colts game!! Texans hung themselves!! 2 in a row for The Colts w/out Manning.....maybe there is hope for them after all!!

The Texans sucked. Kubiak played scared the whole game. Ever since they clinched he won't let Yates do anything but dump off. Bad strategy. Bad game. The refs didn't help much on that last drive, but when your offense can't do a fucking thing all night, your D is gonna get tired. Kudos to Indy. They were the better team on Thursday. I'm not liking the Texans chances at all in the playoffs. They have first round fodder written all over them. Losing Briesel appears to be just one injury too many. Here's to next year.

[cantstopthemusic]

WHAT A GAME!!! WHAT A WIN!!! I couldn't care less about the draft right now!

You'll sure be caring once they're "out" of the suck-for-Luck sweepstakes.

[Tymaster]

Browns pregame radio (VERY reliable sources) just said that Colt will be a Brown next year, but a back up to a free agent QB. Holmgren and Heckert want to focus on defense, WR, and RB through the draft, NOT a QB. My question to you football fans is this: what quality QB's are available via free agency?

[poizond13]

Cam Newton breaks Peyton's rookie passing record. Congrats to him. The kid is the consensus rookie of the year and one of the best young QBs to come along in a while. I'm sure he's enjoying proving wrong all the pundits who said he didn't have the work ethic and passing ability to make it in this league.

[bane]

Browns pregame radio (VERY reliable sources) just said that Colt will be a Brown next year, but a back up to a free agent QB. Holmgren and Heckert want to focus on defense, WR, and RB through the draft, NOT a QB. My question to you football fans is this: what quality QB's are available via free agency?

Quality? None I can think of unless Manning hits the market. There will be a bunch of B list guys out there though. Garrard might be a decent fit.

[bane]

So, aside from the Redskins, we really don't have a destination?

There are maybe a few other teams that might make sense:

Titans
**i think this destination makes a lot of sense. he can "go home". that state loves him already. not sure if the team has enough money to pay the guy

Rams
**bradford has had 1 good year and this year he did not progress so much. could be a situation where Manning can teach bradford how to play the QB position

Browns
**Colt is not a top tier NFL qb and never will be. the guy is a Ty Detmer type at best and would never be able to carry Flutie's jock

These teams all suck. And I don't see ANYBODY bringing in Peyton with the idea that he'll "mentor" someone. Everyone knows he takes all the snaps, and look at Painter...that mentoring went real well.

The Titans don't suck. They're having a down year, but that team isn't that far away at all. I don't really see him going there though. Hasslebeck has been decent for them and Locker has played pretty well when he's had the chance. They need receivers more than they need a QB.

[bane]

Where are all the Tebow idiots today? Denver got Tebowned.

[SkyDog112046]

Patriots played like shit but still locked up a bye. They should have an easy time with Buffalo at home as they always do so I anticipate they get the #1 seed, but I think they will be "one-and-done" if they have to face Pittsburgh or Baltimore.

[SkyDog112046]

Where are all the Tebow idiots today? Denver got Tebowned.

Two losses in a row. Their faith has been shaken.

[Luminiferous]

Jesus was busy opening birthday presents..

Sorry Tim..