NFL 2011 Thread

[bane]

Bane, the crappy Bengals backed into the playoffs, but if I'm the Texans, I'm scared. What do the Bengals have to lose? They don't belong in the playoffs, but yet they are there. They are like the Seahawks last year, except the Seahawks actually won the last game of the season to earn their spot.

I would have rather seen the Titans, but Houston beat them in Cinci without AJ. I think it's a close game that could go either way. Reliant is going to be LOUD. It's the first playoff game Houston has seen since 93 so it's going to be crazy loud. How well Cinci's rookie QB deals with that will be interesting. With all the injuries, Houston is playing with house money. They aren't getting past the divisional round anyway, so I won't be crushed if they lose to Cinci. They're set up good for the next few years, so this season could just go down as experience and I'd be OK with it.

[johnk5150]

Bears are undefeated this year.

[Tymaster]

Bane, the crappy Bengals backed into the playoffs, but if I'm the Texans, I'm scared. What do the Bengals have to lose? They don't belong in the playoffs, but yet they are there. They are like the Seahawks last year, except the Seahawks actually won the last game of the season to earn their spot.

I would have rather seen the Titans, but Houston beat them in Cinci without AJ. I think it's a close game that could go either way. Reliant is going to be LOUD. It's the first playoff game Houston has seen since 93 so it's going to be crazy loud. How well Cinci's rookie QB deals with that will be interesting. With all the injuries, Houston is playing with house money. They aren't getting past the divisional round anyway, so I won't be crushed if they lose to Cinci. They're set up good for the next few years, so this season could just go down as experience and I'd be OK with it.

I'm in Columbus and the Bengals "bandwagon" is in full effect. They had to offer tickets at "buy one get one free" to avoid a friggin' black out yesterday, but despite the loss, they are still in the playoffs, and with that that every one is all the sudden a "Bengal fan for life" or some shit. It's rather annoying. If they win a playoff game, that bandwagon will only grow and I may have to consider moving. Otherwise, I see a mass murder-suicide coming.

[SkyDog112046]

Bane, the crappy Bengals backed into the playoffs, but if I'm the Texans, I'm scared. What do the Bengals have to lose? They don't belong in the playoffs, but yet they are there. They are like the Seahawks last year, except the Seahawks actually won the last game of the season to earn their spot.

The Bengals weren't expected to win yesterday against the team that is probably the class of the AFC. While they are not a great team by any means they can still go down to Houston and beat a team down to their 4th string QB. They could then go up to New England and catch the Patriots sleep walking through the 1st quarter as they have the past month at which point they are good enough to prevent NE from coming back. So it wouldn't be a complete shock for them to get to the AFC title game, but once they face Balt or Pitt they are done.

[SkyDog112046]

Otherwise, I see a mass murder-suicide coming.

And that's only factoring in the Bengal players'

[Tymaster]

Bane, the crappy Bengals backed into the playoffs, but if I'm the Texans, I'm scared. What do the Bengals have to lose? They don't belong in the playoffs, but yet they are there. They are like the Seahawks last year, except the Seahawks actually won the last game of the season to earn their spot.

The Bengals weren't expected to win yesterday against the team that is probably the class of the AFC. While they are not a great team by any means they can still go down to Houston and beat a team down to their 4th string QB. They could then go up to New England and catch the Patriots sleep walking through the 1st quarter as they have the past month at which point they are good enough to prevent NE from coming back. So it wouldn't be a complete shock for them to get to the AFC title game, but once they face Balt or Pitt they are done.

Marvin Lewis could mess up a wet dream, so I don't think they're going anywhere. However, as a Browns fan in a town that constantly can't decide if it's a Bengals or Browns town, I am already sick of the Bengals. This is Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis we're talking about. You know what they say about the blind squirrel and the nut? That's this year's Bengals.

[Tymaster]

Otherwise, I see a mass murder-suicide coming.

And that's only factoring in the Bengal players'

In other football talk, I agree with NBC in saying that if the Broncos truly want to defeat the Steelers, they should prepare Quinn to start. Tebow mania is over, and the Steelers wouldn't be prepared for Quinn. Although one thing about Quinn that NBC failed to mention is that Lebeau know's Quinn well from Quinn's time in Cleveland. Still, if Pittsburgh prepares all week for Tebow only to see Quinn come in and start, they will have pulled genius bait and switch.

[bane]

Otherwise, I see a mass murder-suicide coming.

And that's only factoring in the Bengal players'

In other football talk, I agree with NBC in saying that if the Broncos truly want to defeat the Steelers, they should prepare Quinn to start. Tebow mania is over, and the Steelers wouldn't be prepared for Quinn. Although one thing about Quinn that NBC failed to mention is that Lebeau know's Quinn well from Quinn's time in Cleveland. Still, if Pittsburgh prepares all week for Tebow only to see Quinn come in and start, they will have pulled genius bait and switch.

do you think it would matter? Denver might have 8 completions and 3 picks vs 4and 1.

[Tymaster]

In other football talk, I agree with NBC in saying that if the Broncos truly want to defeat the Steelers, they should prepare Quinn to start. Tebow mania is over, and the Steelers wouldn't be prepared for Quinn. Although one thing about Quinn that NBC failed to mention is that Lebeau know's Quinn well from Quinn's time in Cleveland. Still, if Pittsburgh prepares all week for Tebow only to see Quinn come in and start, they will have pulled genius bait and switch.

do you think it would matter? Denver might have 8 completions and 3 picks vs 4and 1.[/quote]

The Browns nearly beat the Steelers both times and the Browns are an embarrasment to the planet. The Steelers are very beatable. And Quinn is a better QB than Tebow. I, for one, am glad the love affair with Tebow is over. The over saturation in the news was overwhelming. Although the SNL skit was awesome. As was Bill Maher's criticisms.

[bane]

I agree that the Steelers are beatable, just not by Denver.

[Tymaster]

I agree that the Steelers are beatable, just not by Denver.

The Bengals have a chance to really **** things up in the AFC if they knock off Houston. That much is certain.

[bane]

I agree that the Steelers are beatable, just not by Denver.

The Bengals have a chance to really **** things up in the AFC if they knock off Houston. That much is certain.

I don't know about all that. Neither Cinci or Houston is going to make much noise beyond the first round IMO. Anything can happen, but Baltimore and to a lesser extent, New England, are clearly the class of the conference. I'd expect one of them to be in the big show. I don't get the apathy you've described in Cinci though. Nobody expected that team to do much of anything this season after losing so many key components to free agency etc. They've turned out to be a pretty solid team.

[Crazy Levi]

Bears are undefeated this year.

Did they just lose Urlacher for about 12 months?

That's gotta be fucking rough.

[Crazy Levi]

I've always supported Coach Caldwell and I don't believe he's to blame for the season. We should know his fate by tomorrow, either way.

That team was better than 2-14. Caldwell needs to go.

Yeah, it's one thing to be a loyal fan, but clearly, Caldwell is in over his head. He won games with Tony Dungy's leftovers. This year he was exposed. Peyton Manning was an incredible loss, but a capable coach still would have won more than 2 games with this team. Caldwell should fired ASAP.

Agreed. Caldwell is a complete chump. He's the Barry Switzer of the 2000s. My grandmother could have coached that team to a Super Bowl. And she probably would have had the special teams unit prepared for that onsides kick.

I can't believe he hasn't been fired yet.

[Crazy Levi]

Yup.

Wholesale changes needed on the JETS.

Sanchez while terrible, is going nowhere, I know this. Shotty will, with any luck, be gone this week. Horrible play-caller. Today: 3rd and 14 mid-field, Wildcat formation, QB dive for a shit yard. They NEVER throw in Wildcat and every D coordinator knows it.

Jets won't go after a big name QB, at least I don't think so. But what they should do is push McElroy. Guy looked great in preseason before getting hurt. Sanchez needs a fire lit under his ass. Sink or swim. Long-term I think he sinks. Apparently McElroy is a smart mofo. Doesn't always translate, but i'd bet he can read coverage better than Sanchise.

Jets need a RT badly. A traffic cone blocks better than Wayne Hunter.

I don't care about McKnight's return numbers, he can't hold on to the ball, maybe find a sucker in a trade or just cut him. DONE.

Need new secondary. Smith, Revis, and Wilson can stay.

Not sold on Greene. You can blame the O-line maybe, but he can't run shit up the middle.

I keep LT. Easy decision.

So yeah. Jets finish either 9-7 or 7-9 next year.

Plus, you have this whole bizarre Santonio Holmes situation. Clearly, he was benched. But nobody seems to know who benched him. LT is bitching about him and saying he quit, as are other players. It's a bit of a mess.

Not to mention Rex' act seems to be wearing thin after only three years. I mean, enough already fatass.

The same shit happened with his dad...talk a whole lot of shit, but lose when it matters most. At least Rex managed to win some playoff games, which Buddy never did, but in the end you got a big fat blowhard painting a huge bullseye on the team's back, and they aren't quite good enough to back it up.

[Tymaster]

I agree that the Steelers are beatable, just not by Denver.

The Bengals have a chance to really **** things up in the AFC if they knock off Houston. That much is certain.

I don't know about all that. Neither Cinci or Houston is going to make much noise beyond the first round IMO. Anything can happen, but Baltimore and to a lesser extent, New England, are clearly the class of the conference. I'd expect one of them to be in the big show. I don't get the apathy you've described in Cinci though. Nobody expected that team to do much of anything this season after losing so many key components to free agency etc. They've turned out to be a pretty solid team.

By "noise" I meant setting up a Pittsburgh/Baltimore matchup and sparing the Patriots from having to play them both to get to the SB.

As for the apathy. I have a lot of friends that live in Cincy and are true Bengals fans. The reason they did not go to games was because they are sick and tired of Mike Brown and Marvin Lewis. Yes, they backed into the playoffs, but until the Bengals are a consistent playoff winner, they will not gain the faith of the city. Plus, it's a baseball town. The Bengals are always going to be the red headed step child to the Reds.

[Machado]

Cowboys did not deserve to be in the playoffs.
This team needs to be overhauled in a major way.
Starting with all the DB's, except for Mike Jenkins. This year he did not play so well, but a lot of that was due to his injured shoulder.
A lot of the bums on defense could learn something about toughness from Romo.
Tony R played so well last night, even with the banged up hand.
If the D could have stopped some drives, caused a few turnovers, the game could have been a lot closer than 21-0.

Head coach is not the problem.
D Coordinator is not the problem.
Offense is not the problem.

It's several players on defense that are no longer NFL players.

Seeing Newman getting used and abused by the Giants fullback was embarrassing. Newman does not want to get involved in any play. Dallas needs a corner who wants to make a tackle, a corner who wants to support the run, a corner that puts himself in a position to defend the pass.

[Tymaster]

Yup.

Wholesale changes needed on the JETS.

Sanchez while terrible, is going nowhere, I know this. Shotty will, with any luck, be gone this week. Horrible play-caller. Today: 3rd and 14 mid-field, Wildcat formation, QB dive for a shit yard. They NEVER throw in Wildcat and every D coordinator knows it.

Jets won't go after a big name QB, at least I don't think so. But what they should do is push McElroy. Guy looked great in preseason before getting hurt. Sanchez needs a fire lit under his ass. Sink or swim. Long-term I think he sinks. Apparently McElroy is a smart mofo. Doesn't always translate, but i'd bet he can read coverage better than Sanchise.

Jets need a RT badly. A traffic cone blocks better than Wayne Hunter.

I don't care about McKnight's return numbers, he can't hold on to the ball, maybe find a sucker in a trade or just cut him. DONE.

Need new secondary. Smith, Revis, and Wilson can stay.

Not sold on Greene. You can blame the O-line maybe, but he can't run shit up the middle.

I keep LT. Easy decision.

So yeah. Jets finish either 9-7 or 7-9 next year.

Plus, you have this whole bizarre Santonio Holmes situation. Clearly, he was benched. But nobody seems to know who benched him. LT is bitching about him and saying he quit, as are other players. It's a bit of a mess.

Not to mention Rex' act seems to be wearing thin after only three years. I mean, enough already fatass.

The same shit happened with his dad...talk a whole lot of shit, but lose when it matters most. At least Rex managed to win some playoff games, which Buddy never did, but in the end you got a big fat blowhard painting a huge bullseye on the team's back, and they aren't quite good enough to back it up.

Bullseye. The Ryan brother's scam is up. I was fooled into like Rob as Cleveland's DC, but now, I'm glad he's gone. Dick Jauron is a MAJOR upgrade at that post. One of the few things the Browns did right in 2011.

[bane]

Head coach is not the problem.
D Coordinator is not the problem.
Offense is not the problem.

Your owner is the problem, and yeah, your head coach and D coordinator are both problems as well. That team wasn't ready to play last night.

[Crazy Levi]

Bill Polian and Chris Polian

FIRED

P13, how are the guys taking this in the locker room?

[Tymaster]

Head coach is not the problem.
D Coordinator is not the problem.
Offense is not the problem.

Your owner is the problem, and yeah, your head coach and D coordinator are both problems as well. That team wasn't ready to play last night.

Jerry Jones needs to step back and face reality. But he never will. Thus the team will never again win a Super Bowl until he realizes this. Jerry Jones should thank the Minnesota Vikings and Jimmy Johnson for the rings he does own, and move on.

[bane]

Bill Polian and Chris Polian

FIRED

Damnit. Good move Irsay. Really good move. I didn't think he had it in him.

[Tymaster]

Bill Polian and Chris Polian

FIRED

P13, how are the guys taking this in the locker room?

I'm sure Greg's farewell love letter to those two will be epic. I know I can't wait.

[bane]

Jerry Jones needs to step back and face reality. But he never will. Thus the team will never again win a Super Bowl until he realizes this. Jerry Jones should thank the Minnesota Vikings and Jimmy Johnson for the rings he does own, and move on.

Yep. He needs to hire a good GM and get out of his way. He never will though, and Dallas will continue to be mediocre as a result.

ETA: I hear Polian is available

[Tymaster]

Jerry Jones needs to step back and face reality. But he never will. Thus the team will never again win a Super Bowl until he realizes this. Jerry Jones should thank the Minnesota Vikings and Jimmy Johnson for the rings he does own, and move on.

Yep. He needs to hire a good GM and get out of his way. He never will though, and Dallas will continue to be mediocre as a result.

That's fine with me. No disrespect to Machado, who is actually one of my favorite posters, but IMHO the Cowboys are the Yankees/Lakers of the NFL and their fans are among the worst. I'm not talking true fans that live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I'm talking about people that jumped on the bandwagon during one of the two dynasty's instead of supporting the NFL team in their own city.

[poizond13]

Can't believe what I've just read. Total shock mode. Can't even comprehend it. Can't see the reason for it. I'm sure anger will follow shortly. Right now, speechless.

[Crazy Levi]

Can't believe what I've just read. Total shock mode. Can't even comprehend it. Can't see the reason for it. I'm sure anger will follow shortly. Right now, speechless.

Well, nice to see you've already moved past denial and acceptance.

Keep it together buddy, we are here for you.

[bane]

Jerry Jones needs to step back and face reality. But he never will. Thus the team will never again win a Super Bowl until he realizes this. Jerry Jones should thank the Minnesota Vikings and Jimmy Johnson for the rings he does own, and move on.

Yep. He needs to hire a good GM and get out of his way. He never will though, and Dallas will continue to be mediocre as a result.

That's fine with me. No disrespect to Machado, who is actually one of my favorite posters, but IMHO the Cowboys are the Yankees/Lakers of the NFL and their fans are among the worst. I'm not talking true fans that live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I'm talking about people that jumped on the bandwagon during one of the two dynasty's instead of supporting the NFL team in their own city.

I agree. I grew up a Cowboys fan. My family are all Cowboys fans going back a couple generations. I stopped following them when Jones fired Landry (and I moved to Houston), but I've still got a bit of a soft spot for them. I hate what Jones and his fucked up ego have done to that team. I can't stand that guy.

[Machado]

Jerry Jones needs to step back and face reality. But he never will. Thus the team will never again win a Super Bowl until he realizes this. Jerry Jones should thank the Minnesota Vikings and Jimmy Johnson for the rings he does own, and move on.

Yep. He needs to hire a good GM and get out of his way. He never will though, and Dallas will continue to be mediocre as a result.

That's fine with me. No disrespect to Machado, who is actually one of my favorite posters, but IMHO the Cowboys are the Yankees/Lakers of the NFL and their fans are among the worst. I'm not talking true fans that live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. I'm talking about people that jumped on the bandwagon during one of the two dynasty's instead of supporting the NFL team in their own city.

I might be in the minority here, but IMO the problem are the players on the current roster.
A lot of them that play key positions are average or below average.
Newman
Bradie James
M. Bennett
K. Brooking
Spencer
Those 5 are doing the team no favors and not helping the team win. Matter of fact, those players are making the team lose.
All of them have to go and then some.
Somehow, somewhere, a legit CB or two must be signed, traded for or drafted.
Right now Dallas has the 14th pick in the draft.
Offense is not the problem.
Defensive upgrades are needed at key positions.
Players who want to make a play all the time, players that have no fear, etc...

[bane]

Can't believe what I've just read. Total shock mode. Can't even comprehend it. Can't see the reason for it. I'm sure anger will follow shortly. Right now, speechless.

It was a smart move. The game has passed Sr. by and Jr. is inept. The Colts will be better for this unfortunately.