NFL 2011 Thread

[NeverSurrender]

When has this happened? Are you going to point that it to me? If it's possible, why hasn't it happened? Why do you think guys like Manning, Brees, Rodgers and Brady have nobody backups, while other less good teams have better backups? Why do you think that is P13? Because you can't put 25 million dollars towards one postion in the NFL with the cap, the one i know nothing about. So while it nay be possible, it's also a dumbass move, and a move ONLY YOU thought was a good idea.

Also, lets forget about the rest of what I quoted, about how Manning was going to be a Colt next season and Luck would be learning behind him on the way to the Super Bowl. We will just forget all about that.

[NeverSurrender]

feasible -1.Possible to do easily or conveniently.
2.Likely; probable.

If it's so "feasible", why has no other team ever done it? And if it's probable, why aren't they doing it? Lmao, you just shot yourself in the foot.... again.

Synonyms: practicable - possible - realizable - workable - probable

[Space Bear]

Damn shame Peyton's done, I'm gonna miss this kind of entertaiment. Here's to Andrew Luck hopefully providing another decade of P13-fueled hilarity.

[eddie lee roth]

Damn shame Peyton's done, I'm gonna miss this kind of entertaiment. Here's to Andrew Luck hopefully providing another decade of P13-fueled hilarity.

Fuck that enough's enough now if we could just find a way to off bert.

[poizond13]

feasible -1.Possible to do easily or conveniently.
2.Likely; probable.

If it's so "feasible", why has no other team ever done it? And if it's probable, why aren't they doing it? Lmao, you just shot yourself in the foot.... again.

Synonyms: practicable - possible - realizable - workable - probable

WOW, you are a stupid fuck. It's never been done before because this was the first year of the rookie salary cap. Prior to 2011 it would not have been a feasible situation. The rookie salary cap now makes it perfectly feasible. Do you even know what the rookie salary cap is???

[poizond13]

When all the hype and talk is over, I am looking forward to what should be a fantastic football game. Football is by far the greatest game in the world and this will be the last time we get to enjoy it for a good while. I'm looking forward to what I expect to be a very close game. Both teams are playing very well. If you ask me, both teams are at their peak, which is what you would want in a game like this. In the end I think the Giants' pass rush will get to Brady, and N.E. will feel the loss of Gronkowski, as he will not be his normal self in this game. I expect him to be more of a decoy than anything. I also feel like the Giants have too many offensive weapons, and Eli will pick apart NE's weak secondary all night long.

I'll be rooting hard for Eli and the Giants, but I expect a great game.

[NeverSurrender]

feasible -1.Possible to do easily or conveniently.
2.Likely; probable.

If it's so "feasible", why has no other team ever done it? And if it's probable, why aren't they doing it? Lmao, you just shot yourself in the foot.... again.

Synonyms: practicable - possible - realizable - workable - probable

WOW, you are a stupid fuck. It's never been done before because this was the first year of the rookie salary cap. Prior to 2011 it would not have been a feasible situation. The rookie salary cap now makes it perfectly feasible. Do you even know what the rookie salary cap is???

Why isn't it happening then?

[Machado]

Who has knowledge of where the Super Bowl will be played
for the next 3-5 years?

[MurrayFiend]

Who has knowledge of where the Super Bowl will be played
for the next 3-5 years?

New Orleans, New Jersey and Arizona have the next 3.

[SkyDog112046]

The Manning-Irsay situation keeps escalating. Doctors clear Manning to play and instead of saying "Hey, that's great news. Hopefully our doctors agree. It will be great to have him back" Irsay tweets "Peyton has not passed our physical nor has he been cleared to play for the Indianapolis Colts. Team statement coming on Friday."

I think Irsay is looking for a reason to cut him. Cutting Manning is the right move, but it's classless the way Irsay has been slinging mud at him in the press. Manning was one of the premier players of the past decade. That's no way to treat him.

[Crazy Levi]

The Manning-Irsay situation keeps escalating. Doctors clear Manning to play and instead of saying "Hey, that's great news. Hopefully our doctors agree. It will be great to have him back" Irsay tweets "Peyton has not passed our physical nor has he been cleared to play for the Indianapolis Colts. Team statement coming on Friday."

I think Irsay is looking for a reason to cut him. Cutting Manning is the right move, but it's classless the way Irsay has been slinging mud at him in the press. Manning was one of the premier players of the past decade. That's no way to treat him.

Like I said - all Irsay has to do to handle this in a classy way is keep his pie hole shut and say "no comment."

But he keeps throwing Peyton to the wolves. He's a scumbag, just like papa.

[NeverSurrender]

His name is Irsay. have you all forgot how is pops acted?

He seems to be getting the same red faced drunk look his dad had. Might as well have his attitude too.

[bane]

The Manning-Irsay situation keeps escalating. Doctors clear Manning to play and instead of saying "Hey, that's great news. Hopefully our doctors agree. It will be great to have him back" Irsay tweets "Peyton has not passed our physical nor has he been cleared to play for the Indianapolis Colts. Team statement coming on Friday."

I think Irsay is looking for a reason to cut him. Cutting Manning is the right move, but it's classless the way Irsay has been slinging mud at him in the press. Manning was one of the premier players of the past decade. That's no way to treat him.

Like I said - all Irsay has to do to handle this in a classy way is keep his pie hole shut and say "no comment."

But he keeps throwing Peyton to the wolves. He's a scumbag, just like papa.

Irsay needs to break his tweeting finger, but Manning's people don't look all that great here either.

[NeverSurrender]

The Manning-Irsay situation keeps escalating. Doctors clear Manning to play and instead of saying "Hey, that's great news. Hopefully our doctors agree. It will be great to have him back" Irsay tweets "Peyton has not passed our physical nor has he been cleared to play for the Indianapolis Colts. Team statement coming on Friday."

I think Irsay is looking for a reason to cut him. Cutting Manning is the right move, but it's classless the way Irsay has been slinging mud at him in the press. Manning was one of the premier players of the past decade. That's no way to treat him.

Like I said - all Irsay has to do to handle this in a classy way is keep his pie hole shut and say "no comment."

But he keeps throwing Peyton to the wolves. He's a scumbag, just like papa.

Irsay needs to break his tweeting finger, but Manning's people don't look all that great here either.

If I remember right, it was Archie's big mouth who started it all.

[AliceManson]

feasible -1.Possible to do easily or conveniently.
2.Likely; probable.

If it's so "feasible", why has no other team ever done it? And if it's probable, why aren't they doing it? Lmao, you just shot yourself in the foot.... again.

Synonyms: practicable - possible - realizable - workable - probable

WOW, you are a stupid fuck. It's never been done before because this was the first year of the rookie salary cap. Prior to 2011 it would not have been a feasible situation. The rookie salary cap now makes it perfectly feasible. Do you even know what the rookie salary cap is???

You are actually right.

[bane]

You are actually right.

It is feasible, it's just not smart (unless Manning is willing to restructure). Their cap number this year would still be way out of whack at the QB position, even with the rookie cap.

[Crazy Levi]

Seriously. The rookie cap isn't some kind of a fucking free pass.

Not to mention...Luck might not be the only rookie on the team (duh.)

Just another life preserver P13 is desperately hanging on to while we all know the Peyton Manning era is OVER in Indy.

Just like I've been saying for months.

Man, I can't wait for the new and improved MARK MY WORDS thread...it's gonna have so much new sweet shit in it.

[AliceManson]

When all the hype and talk is over, I am looking forward to what should be a fantastic football game. Football is by far the greatest game in the world and this will be the last time we get to enjoy it for a good while. I'm looking forward to what I expect to be a very close game. Both teams are playing very well. If you ask me, both teams are at their peak, which is what you would want in a game like this. In the end I think the Giants' pass rush will get to Brady, and N.E. will feel the loss of Gronkowski, as he will not be his normal self in this game. I expect him to be more of a decoy than anything. I also feel like the Giants have too many offensive weapons, and Eli will pick apart NE's weak secondary all night long.

I'll be rooting hard for Eli and the Giants, but I expect a great game.

Considering how your picks always work out, I should go bet everything I own on a Patriots' landslide victory.

[cantstopthemusic]

I can see them going with RG3, over Luck.

They're the Colts, after all.

[SkyDog112046]

Indy can't have Manning and Luck on the roster at the same time because it's just not conducive to building a complete roster. Irsay knows it, and that's half the reason he's being such a dick to Manning.

The #1 pick is still going to get a deal worth around $6M a year. It's certainly nowhere near the front loaded deals that players were recently getting but it's still a significant cap number when there is another player slated to make $28M. It would be ludicrous to tie up 20% of the salary cap in one position.

A reasonably balanced roster would spend 50% on offense, 45% on defense, and the other 5% between specialists(kicker, punter long snapper) and roster spots 46-53. So using that formula a team is going to spend 2/5 of what they should spend on offense on just 2 players who can't get on the field at the same time? So either they put lesser players around them as starters or put minimum salaried guys behind the starters. How many teams have never had an injury to at least one key player and needed to use their depth to keep going? How many QBs have won a SB with no playmakers around them or a bunch of stiffs blocking for them? The answer is none. Roster spots 3-53 are too important to tie up 20% of your money in 1 position.

[bane]

How much of that 28 million due Manning counts against the cap? It can't be all of it? Why the hell would Polian have negotiated something that would handcuff his team like that? 6 mil to Luck is a drop in the bucket, but if all of Peyton's $ counts towards the cap they'd have had serious cap issues even without the #1 pick.

[poizond13]

How much of that 28 million due Manning counts against the cap? It can't be all of it? Why the hell would Polian have negotiated something that would handcuff his team like that? 6 mil to Luck is a drop in the bucket, but if all of Peyton's $ counts towards the cap they'd have had serious cap issues even without the #1 pick.

Only $17 million would count against the cap. On top of that, if he is cut, about $11 million will still count against the cap. That $6 million difference is not going to make or break our roster. Having Luck and Peyton on the roster is very do able, if Peyton is healthy. Do not believe the ignorant nonsense spewed by Levy, Skydog, and others.

[SkyDog112046]

How much of that 28 million due Manning counts against the cap? It can't be all of it? Why the hell would Polian have negotiated something that would handcuff his team like that? 6 mil to Luck is a drop in the bucket, but if all of Peyton's $ counts towards the cap they'd have had serious cap issues even without the #1 pick.

When you figure the signing bonus from last summer, option bonus due next month and salary, Manning would count against $17M of the cap in 2012. Luck will get slightly over $6M but even at exactly $6M together they would count for 19.2% of the cap.

If they cut Manning he counts for $10.4M in 1012 plus they save the $28M in bonus money with no cap hit in 2013 instead of the dual hits that will be on the books if they pick him up. $7M in cap space pays for 2 very good players now and then they get the $10M back for next year. Just what a team that is rebuilding needs.

[SkyDog112046]

How much of that 28 million due Manning counts against the cap? It can't be all of it? Why the hell would Polian have negotiated something that would handcuff his team like that? 6 mil to Luck is a drop in the bucket, but if all of Peyton's $ counts towards the cap they'd have had serious cap issues even without the #1 pick.

Only $17 million would count against the cap. On top of that, if he is cut, about $11 million will still count against the cap. That $6 million difference is not going to make or break our roster. Having Luck and Peyton on the roster is very do able, if Peyton is healthy. Do not believe the ignorant nonsense spewed by Levy, Skydog, and others.

You've got the numbers right but you are still wrong about the impact on the roster. You have to add Manning's and Luck's salaries together and factor that only one of them can play at a time. $23M against the cap is almost 20%. Plus there are cap implications going forward because of the size of the roster bonus. Cutting him saves $7M in 2012 and another $18M in 2013. It's not too difficult to see why it looks like Irsay it's getting ready to cut ties with Manning even if he is doing it in a classless manner.

[Crazy Levi]

How much of that 28 million due Manning counts against the cap? It can't be all of it? Why the hell would Polian have negotiated something that would handcuff his team like that? 6 mil to Luck is a drop in the bucket, but if all of Peyton's $ counts towards the cap they'd have had serious cap issues even without the #1 pick.

Only $17 million would count against the cap. On top of that, if he is cut, about $11 million will still count against the cap. That $6 million difference is not going to make or break our roster. Having Luck and Peyton on the roster is very do able, if Peyton is healthy. Do not believe the ignorant nonsense spewed by Levy, Skydog, and others.

I don't give a fuck if it's "able," you are the dipshit who has decided to turn this into a marathon discussion over the "possible."

We aren't dealing with possibilities here, we are dealing with facts.

And the fact is that Manning has played his last down as a Colt, fuckwad. And we'll soon have the MARK MY WORDS thread to prove it.

Maybe we should make a little bet on this one?

[SkyDog112046]

I don't give a fuck if it's "able," you are the dipshit who has decided to turn this into a marathon discussion over the "possible."

We aren't dealing with possibilities here, we are dealing with facts.

And the fact is that Manning has played his last down as a Colt, fuckwad. And we'll soon have the MARK MY WORDS thread to prove it.

Maybe we should make a little bet on this one?

P13 is in D-Nial.

I wonder what bandwagon he'll jump on next year? Or do we have to wait until November and see if there is an undefeated team left for him to start following the same way he did with Indy a few years back?

[poizond13]

How much of that 28 million due Manning counts against the cap? It can't be all of it? Why the hell would Polian have negotiated something that would handcuff his team like that? 6 mil to Luck is a drop in the bucket, but if all of Peyton's $ counts towards the cap they'd have had serious cap issues even without the #1 pick.

Only $17 million would count against the cap. On top of that, if he is cut, about $11 million will still count against the cap. That $6 million difference is not going to make or break our roster. Having Luck and Peyton on the roster is very do able, if Peyton is healthy. Do not believe the ignorant nonsense spewed by Levy, Skydog, and others.

I don't give a fuck if it's "able," you are the dipshit who has decided to turn this into a marathon discussion over the "possible."

We aren't dealing with possibilities here, we are dealing with facts.

And the fact is that Manning has played his last down as a Colt, fuckwad. And we'll soon have the MARK MY WORDS thread to prove it.

Maybe we should make a little bet on this one?

I guess you missed the post yesterday where I admitted Peyton will likely not be a Colt next year. I've been saying since November, Peyton stays a Colt IF healthy. The sad reality is that Peyton likely will not be healthy by March 8th, and you can't pay that kind of money to someone who you don't know whether or not they can play.

[Crazy Levi]

I guess you missed the post yesterday where I admitted Peyton will likely not be a Colt next year. I've been saying since November, Peyton stays a Colt IF healthy. The sad reality is that Peyton likely will not be healthy by March 8th, and you can't pay that kind of money to someone who you don't know whether or not they can play.

Bullshit fuckwad. You may have "admitted it" yesterday, after an entire SEASON of calling everyone a retard who argued the same point.

You simply have no choice but to accept reality.

No matter. We'll have about 30 new entries for your MARK MY WORDS thread, post after post, quote after quote of yet more "Sure things" that you got wrong, preserved for eternity. As long as we bump it once a year.

I think we'll start off with this one...

I'm confident in our team because we have a strong organization and a group of winners that know how to get it done. One year won't change that. Peyton comes back next year as strong as ever for 4-5 more years. We will get 1-2 more Super Bowl wins with him at the helm. MARK MY WORDS.

MARK MY WORDS indeed shithead.

[poizond13]

I don't give a fuck if it's "able," you are the dipshit who has decided to turn this into a marathon discussion over the "possible."

We aren't dealing with possibilities here, we are dealing with facts.

And the fact is that Manning has played his last down as a Colt, fuckwad. And we'll soon have the MARK MY WORDS thread to prove it.

Maybe we should make a little bet on this one?

P13 is in D-Nial.

I wonder what bandwagon he'll jump on next year? Or do we have to wait until November and see if there is an undefeated team left for him to start following the same way he did with Indy a few years back?

I've accepted the reality that Peyton LIKELY will not be a Colt next year for some time now. It has nothing to do with the cap. It has to do with the fact that you can't pay someone $28 million in cash when you are uncertain as to whether or not they will be able to play. If Peyton somehow turns the corner and makes a remarkable recovery in the next few weeks, then I see Irsay picking up his option and bringing him back. That is not the likely outcome.

As for being on the bandwagon, I've been on it since 95. Didn't get off it when Harbaugh retired. Didn't get off it after two 3-13 season in 97-98. Didn't get off it after 2-14. I'm not sure what you think I'm waiting for. My love for the horseshoe transcends any one player, coach, or GM. I will always be a fan of one team, and that's the Colts. You, on the other hand, will probably abandon the Pats once Brady and Belichick retire. Every era eventually ends. At least we have a worthy successor to Peyton waiting in the wings.

[SkyDog112046]

As for being on the bandwagon, I've been on it since 95. Didn't get off it when Harbaugh retired. Didn't get off it after two 3-13 season in 97-98. Didn't get off it after 2-14. I'm not sure what you think I'm waiting for. My love for the horseshoe transcends any one player, coach, or GM. I will always be a fan of one team, and that's the Colts. You, on the other hand, will probably abandon the Pats once Brady and Belichick retire. Every era eventually ends. At least we have a worthy successor to Peyton waiting in the wings.

You go ahead and think that, dipshit. I've been watching the Patriots since Jim Plunkett was a rookie, they played in Schaefer Stadium("Shaefer, the one beer to have when you're having more than one."), and the Baltimore Colts were in the AFC East with them. It's only been a couple of years since the franchise broke the .500 mark and that is factoring in that they've averaged 12 wins a year for the past 11 years. They only had about a half dozen decent season in the 30 years I watched them before Belichick got here. It would take a lot more than a coaching change to get me to stop watching them.