What do you not like about Romeny?

[brotherplanet]

I don't like him because he openly admitted he would have signed the NDAA and he's talking now as if the military is the end all be all when we're already armed to the teeth.

To be honest, except for some minor differences he comes across as the Republican Obama.



So for the Obama supporters, what don't you like about Romney or is there nothing and you simply think Obama is the better candidate?




From http://www.ft.com

He is a north-eastern moderate, and a Mormon, at a time when Republicans are more conservative, Christian and southern than ever. Worse, the core of his signature health reform in Massachusetts mirrors the very shake-up Mr Obama is so reviled by conservatives for.

Mr Obama and Mr Romney are virtually tied in national polls, though the president fares slightly better in voter surveys in crucial battleground states, such as Ohio.

In the past week, the Obama campaign’s attacks on Mr Romney’s record at Bain Capital, far from hurting the candidate, have split Democrats, with a number of prominent party figures supporting the private equity industry.

Mr Romney has benefited from the most important factor unifying Republicans of all stripes – their deep and at times fanatical antipathy to Mr Obama.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/80235712-a8b7 ... z1wHtFxoVw

[DEATH ROW JOE]

How about you tell us who you like and what you like about them and then perhaps someone will take the time to educate you on the differences between Romney and Obama.

So far you've proven to be nothing more than a disgruntled child, a chronic whiner.

NDAA passed the Senate 86 - 13
NDAA passed the House 283 - 136

You got a lot of people to put on your shit list (230 repblicans)

Considering that you support domestic terrorism (shooting down drones over the US), it's no wonder you have your panties in a twist over the NDAA. On top of being a birther, are you also one of the idiots who support Tim McVeigh and David Koresh?

Also, interesting that all 6 Senate Republicans who voted against the NDAA are tea baggers.

Nay R Paul, Rand KY
Nay R DeMint, Jim SC
Nay R Lee, Mike UT
Nay R Crapo, Michael ID
Nay R Risch, James ID
Nay R Coburn, Thomas OK (he says he was influenced by Sen. Jim DeMint [R-SC] on his web page).

So tell us who you support or who your ideal candidate would be. Guarantee it's someone who is the ideal Tea Bag candidate.

[brotherplanet]

There's actually no one candidate I like right now, so... Someone with Ron Paul's stance on civil liberties, Obama's actions towards terrorists, and Ronald Reagan's international policies.


You can remove the foot from your mouth now, sucker.

How about you tell us who you like and what you like about them and then perhaps someone will take the time to educate you on the differences between Romney and Obama.

I didn't ask that. Try reading my question again. Okay wait... I'll help you...

To be honest, except for some minor differences he comes across as the Republican Obama.

THIS NEXT SENTENCE IS THE ACTUAL QUESTION...

So for the Obama supporters, what don't you like about Romney or is there nothing and you simply think Obama is the better candidate?

Give it a shot. This is the first time in two weeks that I haven't scrolled past your name without reading your post.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Romney is the worst that Obama has to offer combined with the worst the Republicans have to offer.

I bet DRJ expected you to dodge his question. Anyway, you're telling us out of a third of a billion people in the US, not one meets your exacting standards for leadership of this country? No one?

How about you tell us who you like and what you like about them and then perhaps someone will take the time to educate you on the differences between Romney and Obama.

Quid pro quo. I tell you things, you tell me things.

[brotherplanet]

A third of a billion people in the US are not in politics nor do I know any individual details about a third of a billion people. Do you?



Telling me he's the worst isn't exactly telling me what you don't like about him.


I can say you're the worst at your job, but if I don't explain what you do wrong then it doesn't make any sense.

So really... Answer the question. What don't you like about the guy? What has he said or done as a politician?



I don't dodge joey's questions. I honestly scroll past what he writes so I usually never read them. You and I are normally at odds, but I'll read what you write because you don't come across as a crazy person who doesn't deserve my attention.





What I'm saying here is there isn't an individual political candidate or politician I actually like right now. Gov. Cumo of NY seems like a decent fellow. Sen, Schumer seems to give a shit. Hillary would have made a MUCH better president than Obama.

Because of this I can only give traits that I like. As we get closer to the election, and if an independent catches my eye I'll post about him.

[Danzig in the Dark]

A third of a billion people in the US are not in politics nor do I know any individual details about a third of a billion people. Do you?

I can get the details of a dozen people who desire to be president, 535 Senators and Congresspeople, and thousands of state politicians. Why did this not occur to you?

Telling me he's the worst isn't exactly telling me what you don't like about him.


I can say you're the worst at your job, but if I don't explain what you do wrong then it doesn't make any sense.

It's more of an answer than we got from you. It makes you seem evasive.

So really... Answer the question. What don't you like about the guy? What has he said or done as a politician?

Here's a nice article that sums him up nicely. Go to the original and they cite their sources.

Why Mitt Romney’s Time At Bain Capital Matters

By ThinkProgress War Room on May 23, 2012 at 5:22 pmMitt Romney Was Not a Job Creator

As we discussed yesterday, Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital is once again back in the news — big time. As President Obama said, this is not a distraction, it’s central to the main question of this campaign: do we create an economy that works for everyone, not just the wealthy few, or, do we double down on an economy where the game is rigged for the rich at the expense of the middle class?

It’s also not a distraction because Mitt Romney himself has made his business experience the centerpiece of his campaign, saying just today that “of course” he welcomes a discussion of his record at Bain Capital.

Here’s the rundown on Mitt Romney’s time at Bain Capital — and why it still matters today.

Jobs

While running Bain Capital, whose investments he still profits from to this day, Mitt Romney amassed a quarter-billion dollar fortune by bankrupting companies, laying off thousands of American workers, closing factories and sending jobs overseas. As experts on the private equity industry and even his own former Bain colleagues openly admit, Romney’s job was not to create jobs, it was to create wealth for himself and other investors.

Romney and his campaign have made a wide variety of claims regarding how many jobs he created while at Bain: thousands, tens of thousands, 100,000, and even “well in excess of 100,000.” Neither Romney nor Bain has offered any proof to substantiate any of these claims and multiple independent fact checkers have concluded that Romney’s claims on job creation at Bain are simply false.

The most important job for our next president is to create jobs and get the economy moving faster. When asked today to predict the unemployment rate under a Romney presidency, he predicted that it would be 6 percent at the end of his first term in 2016 — which is exactly where economists predict it will be anyway.

A Rigged Game

One of the reasons Romney has been able to amass such an immense fortune is because he’s been able to take advantage of a tax code that is rigged to favor the wealthy few. He pays a lower tax rate than millions of middle class workers because of a variety of loopholes and giveaways, including one major loophole available only to private equity and hedge fund managers like himself and his partners at Bain Capital.

Instead of asking millionaires like himself to start paying their fair share so we can invest in the middle class — America’s true job creators, Romney wants even more giveaways to the wealthy. His tax plan would explode the deficit by $10 TRILLION, cut his own taxes in half, and raise taxes on middle class families with children and the poorest Americans.

Romney himself and Bain have also both availed themselves of offshore tax havens and now Romney opposes the president’s plan to crack down on corporations who use offshore tax havens to avoid paying their fair share in taxes — or any taxes at all in some cases.

The Safety Net

While at Bain Capital, Romney left thousands of workers without jobs, health insurance, or the pensions they’d been promised.

In order to partially offset the cost of his giveaways to the very wealthy, Romney slashes Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and vital programs that benefit the middle class every day and are the key to economic growth. Earlier this year, Romney famously said that he’s “not concerned about the very poor,” which is reflected in his support for a budget that would throw 13 million people off food stamps and 1 million off Pell grants.

Jobs Here or Jobs Overseas?

Under Romney’s leadership, both Bain Capital and his administration in Massachusetts sent jobs overseas. Now, Romney has signed a pledge to protect all tax giveaways, including those that reward companies who ship jobs overseas.

President Obama, by contrast, has put ending those tax giveaways in order to pay for rewarding companies who bring jobs back to the U.S. on the to-do list he recently submitted to Congress.

IN ONE SENTENCE: Mitt Romney’s past at Bain Capital was the prologue to a presidential campaign based on policies that will benefit the very wealthiest Americans at the expense of the middle class.

I don't dodge joey's questions. I honestly scroll past what he writes so I usually never read them. You and I are normally at odds, but I'll read what you write because you don't come across as a crazy person who doesn't deserve my attention.

What he does is expose your ignorance. It is wise of you to step away and save yourself some scrap of dignity

What I'm saying here is there isn't an individual political candidate or politician I actually like right now. Gov. Cumo of NY seems like a decent fellow. Sen, Schumer seems to give a shit. Hillary would have made a MUCH better president than Obama.

Because of this I can only give traits that I like. As we get closer to the election, and if an independent catches my eye I'll post about him.

Cuomo, Schumer, Clinton? That wasn't hard.

[RATTdrools]

I don't like the fact that he's an arrogant filthy rich snob! He only cares about the super rich like his pals at Bain!

Plus he sucks at governing! When Romney started as MA gov. they were 37th in job creation yet by the end of his term they were 47th! So Romney did considerably worse as governor!!

[brotherplanet]

His work with Bain is spot on. It's indeed a reason not to like him. I see his plan to help America being formulated by his actions at Bain. After all, it's the world he knows.

His idea of a successful America will be one where he offers companies great tax breaks to export jobs to countries with cheaper labor. He will think of the share holders of America while ignoring the millions who are not share holders.

The funny part? By laying people off in order to turn a profit for the shareholders, CEOs who think like Romney fail to realize they're killing their own customer base.

Though, while this is a great thing to attack, Obama has accepted a donation from Bain and refuses to give it back. He has now aligned himself with these very same people. If he attacks Romney on Bain it just might bite him in the ass.

[Danzig in the Dark]

His work with Bain is spot on. It's indeed a reason not to like him. I see his plan to help America being formulated by his actions at Bain. After all, it's the world he knows.

His idea of a successful America will be one where he offers companies great tax breaks to export jobs to countries with cheaper labor. He will think of the share holders of America while ignoring the millions who are not share holders.

The funny part? By laying people off in order to turn a profit for the shareholders, CEOs who think like Romney fail to realize they're killing their own customer base.

Though, while this is a great thing to attack, Obama has accepted a donation from Bain and refuses to give it back. He has now aligned himself with these very same people. If he attacks Romney on Bain it just might bite him in the ass.

Who will call him out on it? Romney?

[brotherplanet]

His work with Bain is spot on. It's indeed a reason not to like him. I see his plan to help America being formulated by his actions at Bain. After all, it's the world he knows.

His idea of a successful America will be one where he offers companies great tax breaks to export jobs to countries with cheaper labor. He will think of the share holders of America while ignoring the millions who are not share holders.

The funny part? By laying people off in order to turn a profit for the shareholders, CEOs who think like Romney fail to realize they're killing their own customer base.

Though, while this is a great thing to attack, Obama has accepted a donation from Bain and refuses to give it back. He has now aligned himself with these very same people. If he attacks Romney on Bain it just might bite him in the ass.

Who will call him out on it? Romney?

A super pac.

[Danzig in the Dark]

His work with Bain is spot on. It's indeed a reason not to like him. I see his plan to help America being formulated by his actions at Bain. After all, it's the world he knows.

His idea of a successful America will be one where he offers companies great tax breaks to export jobs to countries with cheaper labor. He will think of the share holders of America while ignoring the millions who are not share holders.

The funny part? By laying people off in order to turn a profit for the shareholders, CEOs who think like Romney fail to realize they're killing their own customer base.

Though, while this is a great thing to attack, Obama has accepted a donation from Bain and refuses to give it back. He has now aligned himself with these very same people. If he attacks Romney on Bain it just might bite him in the ass.

Who will call him out on it? Romney?

A super pac working on Romney's behalf.

Romney does not want anyone to imply association with Bain is bad. Ever.

[brotherplanet]

Right, but if Obama makes it an issue be sure the Super pacs will make sure everyone knows he's accepted money from Bain.

[brotherplanet]

Here's an example of how it's already backfired on Obama. He simply needs to not speak about Bain.




Deval Patrick aims for Mitt Romney, hits Obama



Deval Patrick isn’t much of an attack dog.

And that can’t be making the Obama campaign too happy.

Thursday is the day when the president’s camp is hitting rival Mitt Romney with a full-on assault on his record as Massachusetts governor, complete with a State House press conference starring top Obama political advisor David Axelrod.

So who better to get the party started than Patrick, the current Massachusetts governor, immediate successor to Romney, and someone who is very close to Obama and some of his top campaign aides.

But he could have been a character witness for the defense.

Hitting the Thursday morning TV news shows, Patrick barely managed a few yips at Romney - and was more at home cuddling up to Bain Capital and the Republican nominee.

Patrick’s performance shows the always-dicey role that surrogates play in a campaign. If they’re on message, they can be a potent way to add another credible voice to pound home the campaign’s message. If they’re off-key, as Patrick was Thursday, it gives the opponent a way to point out that even the candidate’s own friends don’t buy into the attack and seriously blunts its effectiveness.

Democratic rising-star and Newark Mayor Cory Booker is a recent example of a surrogate appearance gone wrong - he criticized the Obama campaign’s targeting of Bain as “nauseating” and said it was a “distraction from the real issues.”

In fact, the RNC was quick to highlight the similarities between Booker and Patrick, as RNC Deputy Communications Director Timothy Miller on Thursday morning tweeted after Patrick’s TV appearances, “Hostage tape imminent” - a reference to Booker’s walk-back of his Bain Capital comments through a YouTube video.

Appearing on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Thursday, Patrick called Bain “a perfectly fine company.”

“They have a role in the private economy, and I’ve got a lot of friends there … on both sides of the aisle,” Patrick added. “I think the Bain strategy has been distorted in some of the public discussions.”

“I think the issue isn’t about Bain. I think it’s about whether he’s accomplished in either his public or private life the kinds of things he wants to accomplish for the United States,” the Massachusetts governor said.

“It’s never been about Bain,” Patrick emphasized during another Thursday appearance, on CNN’s “Starting Point.”

Afterward, the Romney campaign couldn’t resist a dig.

“It’s clear the Obama campaign has no message and no vision when their surrogates continue to repudiate the Obama campaign’s attacks on free enterprise,” said Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul. “We appreciate all of the Obama surrogates who have praised Mitt Romney’s record.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/05 ... z1wU7aZN5Z

[RATTdrools]

Obama has taken money from other private equity firms not Bain.

The difference is no one at those PE firms is running for president but Romney is!

[brotherplanet]

You don't get it. Obama did take money from Bain, so he can't afford to attack Romney when it comes to Bain.


http://politicker.com/2012/05/president ... n-capital/

This isn't to say he won't attack Romney when it comes to Bain, but it will blow up in his face if he does.

[Danzig in the Dark]

You don't get it. Obama did take money from Bain, so he can't afford to attack Romney when it comes to Bain.


http://politicker.com/2012/05/president ... n-capital/

This isn't to say he won't attack Romney when it comes to Bain, but it will blow up in his face if he does.

You should have read the article you linked.

Though the Obama campaign has repeatedly attacked Mitt Romney for his career at Bain Capital, President Obama still accepted $7,500 in campaign contributions from two Bain executives. His campaign press secretary, Ben LaBolt told The Politicker the president has no intention of giving the money back.

“No one aside from Mitt Romney is running for President highlighting their tenure as a corporate buyout specialist as one of job creation, when in fact, his goal was profit maximization,” said Mr. LaBolt. ”The President has support from business leaders across industries who have seen him pull the economy back from the brink of another depression, manufacturing and the auto industry revived, and support his agenda to build an economy that lasts where America outinnovates and outeducates the rest of the world and economic security for the middle class is restored.”

On Tuesday, Vice President Joe Biden defended the attacks on Mr. Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital. Though he insisted he wasn’t “criticizing private equity firms,” Mr. Biden said there were many examples of Mr. Romney and his Bain colleagues causing tremendous harm.

“You hear all these stories about his partners buying companies … where they load up with a tremendous amount of debt. The companies go under, everybody loses their job, the community is devastated, but they make money,” said Mr. Biden. “They make money even when a company goes bankrupt, when workers lose their jobs.”

Earlier in the week, President Obama described Bain and other private equity firms as a “healthy part of the free market” filled with many ”folks who do good work.” However, he also said the priority of private equity companies is to “maximize profits,” which is “not always going to be good for businesses or communities or workers.” Because of this, he said Mr. Romney’s work at Bain Capital isn’t good preparation for the presidency.

“If your main argument for how to grow the economy is, ‘I knew how to make a lot of money for investors,’ then you are missing what this job is about,” President Obama said. “It doesn’t mean you weren’t good at private equity. But that’s not what my job is as president. My job is to take into account everybody, not just some.”

Is Obama tainted by accepting money from two Bain execs? If so, how much more taint does Romney get for $4.7 million in donations? Explain.

[brotherplanet]

I did read the article. Then I posted one that explained how it backfired on him.


It doesn't matter how bad it makes Romeny look, because he's not the one saying Bain is bad. As long as Obama accepted money from this same company he condemns Romney for it will display hypocrisy.

... Or those Dems sent out to hammer it home will trip over their own feet as the two described in the article did.


This is like when Romney condemned Obama's health care plan even though it mirrored the one he set up as governor.

[Danzig in the Dark]

I did read the article. It pretty much explained how it backfired on him.

You didn't read the article, you illiterate assclown.

It doesn't matter how bad it makes Romeny look, because he's not the one saying Bain is bad. As long as Obama accepted money from this same company he condemns Romney for it will display hypocrisy.

Earlier in the week, President Obama described Bain and other private equity firms as a “healthy part of the free market” filled with many ”folks who do good work.”

How in the fuck did you interpret that as condemnation of Bain Capital? You are a goddamn moron.

However, he also said the priority of private equity companies is to “maximize profits,” which is “not always going to be good for businesses or communities or workers.” Because of this, he said Mr. Romney’s work at Bain Capital isn’t good preparation for the presidency.

“If your main argument for how to grow the economy is, ‘I knew how to make a lot of money for investors,’ then you are missing what this job is about,” President Obama said. “It doesn’t mean you weren’t good at private equity. But that’s not what my job is as president. My job is to take into account everybody, not just some.”

What Obama really said is that Romney's work experience did not prepare him for the presidency as Romney claimed.

... Or those Dems sent out to hammer it home will trip over their own feet as the two described in the article did.

WTF?!?! Are you talking about the same article? Even Biden was articulate this time.

This is like when Romney condemned Obama's health care plan even though it mirrored the one he set up as governor.

No this is what results when some cretin with piss poor reading comprehension and severely limited reasoning skills tries to pretend he knows what the fuck he's talking about.

[brotherplanet]

Speaking of reading comprehension. You missed a key word in my response.

I did read the article. Then I posted one that explained how it backfired on him.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Speaking of reading comprehension. You missed a key word in my response.

I did read the article. Then I posted one that explained how it backfired on him.

This is what you originally wrote:

I did read the article. It pretty much explained how it backfired on him.

I didn't miss it. You added it in afterward. That's so sad.

[RATTdrools]

The difference is the 2 Bain execs who donated to Obama aren't running for president but Romney is!

Plus Romney has taken a lot more money from Bain!

[brotherplanet]

The difference is the 2 Bain execs who donated to Obama aren't running for president but Romney is!

Right, but the person who accepted the money is running to be re-elected as President.

Plus Romney has taken a lot more money from Bain!

You're right here as well. Romney has taken a lot more money from Bain, but Romney isn't the one criticizing Romney for working with Bain. That other guy running to be re-elected as President - who accepted donations from Bain - is doing the criticizing.

[Danzig in the Dark]

The difference is the 2 Bain execs who donated to Obama aren't running for president but Romney is!

Right, but the person who accepted the money is running to be re-elected as President.

Plus Romney has taken a lot more money from Bain!

You're right here as well. Romney has taken a lot more money from Bain, but Romney isn't the one criticizing Romney for working with Bain. That other guy running to be re-elected as President - who accepted donations from Bain - is doing the criticizing.

How exactly is Obama criticizing Romney for working there? You must have something, a quote or a video clip?

BTW, brotherplanet, that was a real bitch move you tried to pull. That post editing shit is older than Fred Flintstone's dinosaur skin rubber. I can't believe you actually tried it.

[brotherplanet]

The difference is the 2 Bain execs who donated to Obama aren't running for president but Romney is!

Right, but the person who accepted the money is running to be re-elected as President.

Plus Romney has taken a lot more money from Bain!

You're right here as well. Romney has taken a lot more money from Bain, but Romney isn't the one criticizing Romney for working with Bain. That other guy running to be re-elected as President - who accepted donations from Bain - is doing the criticizing.

How exactly is Obama criticizing Romney for working there? You must have something, a quote or a video clip?

BTW, brotherplanet, that was a real bitch move you tried to pull. That post editing shit is older than Fred Flintstone's dinosaur skin rubber. I can't believe you actually tried it.

Wait,.. because I mis-worded it so it didn't say re-elected President? You're right, I did change it, because my original sentence didn't make sense. I was referring to Obama, but accidentally wrote it as if I was referring to Romney. Guilty as charged.

Ohhh... I'm such a sinner... How dare I correct a mistake I made before anyone responded, thereby taking care of it so when someone did respond it was already corrected so they were responding to the right thing.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Wait,.. because I mis-worded it so it didn't say re-elected President? You're right, I did change it, because my original sentence didn't make sense. I was referring to Obama, but accidentally wrote it as if I was referring to Romney. Guilty as charged.

Ohhh... I'm such a sinner... How dare I correct a mistake I made before anyone responded, thereby taking care of it so when someone did respond it was already corrected so they were responding to the right thing.

Quit being a lameass and admit you fucked up.

Speaking of reading comprehension. You missed a key word in my response.

I did read the article. Then I posted one that explained how it backfired on him.

This is what you originally wrote:

I did read the article. It pretty much explained how it backfired on him.

I didn't miss it. You added it in afterward. That's so sad.

You changed it then called me out for being too stupid to understand what you wrote. You were too stupid to realize that when you are quoted, your original statement remains. Unlike Obama and those Bain exec's donations, this did backfire.

[brotherplanet]

Wait... You're freaking out because I added the word THEN??

Really???

Holy shit, I thought it was when I fixed the running for re-election comment (which is why I thought it was something I wrote before you responded).

So yeah, you're right.

I was making sure it was I meant to write , but fine... I added the word THEN to clarify what I was writing. When I came back to the thread I even said to myself, "That's not what I meant. It doesn't sound right."

The whole fail thing is silly.

If I was trying to cover I would be denying everything right now.

Notice I'm not?

[Danzig in the Dark]

Nice try at damage control. Shouldn't you get back to jacking off with Speedymuffler/Constantine? You two make a nice pair.

[RATTdrools]

Romney made the same lame ass promises when he was running for MA governor yet MA actually got worse in job creation, down to 47th!

Romney cut education funding and increased debt! Romney knew he'd lose if he ran for a 2nd term so he never did!

[Danzig in the Dark]

Romney made the same lame ass promises when he was running for MA governor yet MA actually got worse in job creation, down to 47th!

Romney cut education funding and increased debt! Romney knew he'd lose if he ran for a 2nd term so he never did!

He's the perfect Republican candidate.

[Skate4RnR]

I'm married to a school teacher, why in the FUCK would I vote for him?

This war on education in this country has to stop.