Andrew Luck Wins Offensive Rookie Of The MONTH....

[poizond13]

Also, Montana and Young routinely ranked in the top of passing attempts per season.

[Crazy Levi]

well the one problem with your question is RG3 isent at the bottom of the league., though Luck is in great company with Carson Palmer and Brandon Weedon

At the end of the day, all that matters is that rg3 is the undisputed leader for rookie of the year.

He's going to win it, and Golden boy ain't.

All this other stuff is just background noise.

[poizond13]

Long story short, RG3 is the UNDISPUTED leader for rookie of the year right now.

Cover of sports illustrated is but a meaningless consolation prize.

You can smell E(xcuses)13's fear.

Unsuccessful troll is unsuccessful. Better get your excuses ready, boy.

I haven't made a single "excuse" all year.

However youve been doing it for WEEKS, trying to explain away rg3's domination of Andrew Leaf.

Prove me wrong.

This is all pointless anyway...we are mere weeks away from you welching on another bet. We all know you have no plans on honoring your worthless word.

You have made excuses all year. Even worse, you gave up on your team when they were down and out. So you're an excuse making fair weather fan. The bottom of the barrel as far as fans go.

I have never welched on a bet. I never will. But you'll never get the chance to find out this time.

[poizond13]

well the one problem with your question is RG3 isent at the bottom of the league., though Luck is in great company with Carson Palmer and Brandon Weedon

At the end of the day, all that matters is that rg3 is the undisputed leader for rookie of the year.

According to who? Fair weather fans anonymous? The latest poll I found stated that 57% of sports fans around the world think Luck is better.

[Crazy Levi]

Why are you so spineless P13?

Why are you going to welch when you lose the bet?

[poizond13]

Levy, like others have said, you aren't even a Redskins fan. You said numerous times you don't care if they win or lose. You are a fan of the celebrity of RG3. Very similar to fans of Tebow.

I don't think I will lose this bet, but I'm open to the possibility. At this point either player could win. Just comes down to the voters, and whether they value wins more, or ESPN highlights more. I'm not in their head so I'm not guaranteeing a win. But if I lose, I'll gladly honor the bet. I won't even be upset about it, as long as the Colts make the playoffs. That's by far and away my #1 priority, because I'm a Colts fan, not just a fan of any one player. I want to see the team make the playoffs first and foremost.

[dtmfs]

Also, Montana and Young routinely ranked in the top of passing attempts per season.

Really? lets see

in 1981 Montanas first year as a starter the 49ers ranked 9th in attempts
1982 1st
1983-9th
1984-15th
1985- 8th
1986-4th
1987 10th
88 15th
89 20th
90-2nd
91-3rd , Young and Bono both getting around 250 attempts each
92- Young becomes starter, 14th
93-13th
94-18th
95-2nd
96-11th
-97-28th
98-5th
99-7th

Montana with KC ranked 20th in 93' and 6th in 94'.

So Montana leads once and comes in 2nd once, Young comes in second once in a 19 year period and this to You is routinley ranking in the top of the league in passing attempts? I take it You didn't pay too much attention to Football back then.

[dtmfs]

According to who? Fair weather fans anonymous? The latest poll I found stated that 57% of sports fans around the world think Luck is better.

That would be who'd have the better career, not who the ROY is, and luckily those fans don't get to vote for awards like that.

[dtmfs]

What say You in regards to this analysis P13?


We have an Insider analysis piece from Ben Alamar that examines the difference in performance so far between Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, who was the No. 1 pick in April's draft, and Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III, who was picked second. Ben's conclusion after looking through the numbers is that while both have performed at very high levels so far for rookies, Griffin is developing more quickly as an NFL quarterback than Luck is. Ben's conclusions include:

That Griffin is getting rid of the ball more quickly than Luck is.

That Griffin bears less of the responsibility for the sacks he's taking than Luck does for his.

That, while Luck throws the ball downfield more, Griffin does so more efficiently. (Fifty-seven percent completions on throws 10 or more yards downfield, compared with 49 percent for Luck.)

That the downfield passing numbers show that Griffin is being more judicious and perhaps reading defenses better.
The stats show Luck takes longer to get rid of the ball than Griffin and throws the ball down the field a lot more than Griffin. This suggests Luck is pressing too much and not recognizing when to check down as quickly as Griffin is. Griffin, in part, is doing a better job of quickly recognizing when he has a good opportunity to go deep and when he needs to get rid of the ball. This gives Griffin the current edge as both players strive to fulfill the promise of the draft slots.

Still, both rookies are performing at an extremely high level, and all signs point to both of them continuing to progress toward the levels of the Mannings and Bradys of the league. Griffin is the early leader out of the gate, but both will get there eventually. And when they do, we'll be comparing which elite QB is better.

Since these two will always be compared due to their proximity in the 2012 draft, I'm sure this won't be the last time we bring this up. But if you were wondering which rookie quarterback has performed better, there appear to be some numbers to suggest it's the one in Washington.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... ndrew-luck

[poizond13]

I have never welched on a bet. I never will.

Excuse me! Hello? Does Super Bowl XLIV not ring a bell?

Hey sore loser, evidently you don't understand what welching means. Welching means not honoring a bet after you've lost. What I did was cancel the bet about 20 minutes after making it. Say what you will about that, but it is NOT welching.

Talk about living in the past.

[poizond13]

What say You in regards to this analysis P13?


We have an Insider analysis piece from Ben Alamar that examines the difference in performance so far between Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, who was the No. 1 pick in April's draft, and Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III, who was picked second. Ben's conclusion after looking through the numbers is that while both have performed at very high levels so far for rookies, Griffin is developing more quickly as an NFL quarterback than Luck is. Ben's conclusions include:

That Griffin is getting rid of the ball more quickly than Luck is.

That Griffin bears less of the responsibility for the sacks he's taking than Luck does for his.

That, while Luck throws the ball downfield more, Griffin does so more efficiently. (Fifty-seven percent completions on throws 10 or more yards downfield, compared with 49 percent for Luck.)

That the downfield passing numbers show that Griffin is being more judicious and perhaps reading defenses better.
The stats show Luck takes longer to get rid of the ball than Griffin and throws the ball down the field a lot more than Griffin. This suggests Luck is pressing too much and not recognizing when to check down as quickly as Griffin is. Griffin, in part, is doing a better job of quickly recognizing when he has a good opportunity to go deep and when he needs to get rid of the ball. This gives Griffin the current edge as both players strive to fulfill the promise of the draft slots.

Still, both rookies are performing at an extremely high level, and all signs point to both of them continuing to progress toward the levels of the Mannings and Bradys of the league. Griffin is the early leader out of the gate, but both will get there eventually. And when they do, we'll be comparing which elite QB is better.

Since these two will always be compared due to their proximity in the 2012 draft, I'm sure this won't be the last time we bring this up. But if you were wondering which rookie quarterback has performed better, there appear to be some numbers to suggest it's the one in Washington.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/ ... ndrew-luck

BAHAHAHAH

That article was from Oct 17th. It was already posted at that time by Crazy Fair Weather Levy. I pointed out immediately that it was written by a nobody and was a stupid article. That still holds true.

[poizond13]

Here's a more recent and more accurate article, written by a respected Journalist, not a nobody.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/8550 ... riffin-iii

ANDREW LUCK IS A BETTER QB THAN ROBERT GRIFFIN III

Stop the engraver. Hold up on the parade. Tell the sculptor to take a coffee break.

Before the whole world gives Washington Redskins QB Robert Griffin III the NFL Rookie of the Year, and the MVP award, and maybe the election, let's all just wake up and smell the sanity.

Yes, he's electric. Yes, Bob has been unBoblievable. Yes, he's cuddly and handsome and the son every mother wants.

There's only one problem: He's not even the best rookie QB in the league.

The two-word rebuttal:

Andrew Luck.

You don't know this because RG3 works in Washington, D.C., the media magnet where people like my friend Michael Wilbon work and watch every Redskins game and then get lightheaded and say things like what he said on radio this week, which was "RG3 is the best player in the whole league."

Whoa. We've GOT to get you DIRECTV, Mike.

Andrew Luck, left, posted a QBR of 68.2 compared to Aaron Rodgers' 54.7 QBR in the Colts 30-27 victory over the Packers in September.

If you had it, you'd know that Luck has been just a tablespoon better than RG3. He's thrown consistently deeper than RG3. He's been more clutch and less mistake-prone. He's scrambled better than RG3 and has run just fine. He's practically been RG4.

What is it, Mike, RG3's cute sock collection?

"It's like they're not watching Andrew Luck," says a man who analyzes quarterbacks for a living, Jeff Bennett, the curator of the most comprehensive QB stat ever invented, ESPN's QBR (total quarterback rating). "One is being called a savior. But the other is just as successful and no one seems to notice."

If you want a stat that considers everything a QB does, and when he does it, and what was at stake when he did it, then Bennett's QBR stat is for you. Going into Week 8, it had the Mannings at 1 and 2 (Peyton, then Eli), with Tom Brady third. Sound about right? In the QBR rankings, Luck is sixth and Griffin eighth.

But it tells you more than that. For instance, it tells you:

Luck runs more successfully than Griffin. He's had 10 scrambles for first downs. Griffin has had nine.

Luck is asked to do more than Griffin and is doing it. His average pass completion travels 8.6 yards in the air, highest in the NFL. Griffin's is 5.8, one of the lowest.

Luck is more valuable to his team than Griffin. Sixty-nine percent of the Colts' passing yards are gained while the ball is in the air, the rest after the catch. Only 49 percent of the Skins' passing yards come through the air. In other words, Griffin still has his training wheels on. Luck has his license.

What is it, Mike, all of RG3's Subway ads?

Wait! I'm clairvoyant! I know exactly what you're going to say next!

Reilly, you single-celled organism. Griffin leads the NFL in completion percentage! He's third in the league in passer rating! Luck is second to last!

Oh, you mean NFL passer rating, the most useless stat in football? The 41-year-old fossil that was invented, literally, on a slide rule? The one that doesn't even consider running or fumbles or time of game or score? Yeah, I know that stat. That stat is the whole problem.

RG3 kills in that stat because he's nibbled his way to a league-leading 70.4 percent completion rating. Given the way the Redskins have babied him, Katy Perry in heels could throw for 60 percent. More than 20 percent of RG3's passes this season haven't even traveled across the line of scrimmage. Only 6 percent of Luck's haven't. If you do a cannonball and I do a triple backflip with a McTwist and we both get straight 9s, whose dive was better?

Robert Griffin III has seven fumbles this year. Five happened when he was rushing.
Robert Griffin III has seven fumbles this year. Five happened when he was rushing.

I don't blame the Skins for babying Griffin. Why wouldn't they? He's America's baby. Mike Shanahan (283 games as a head coach in the NFL) has a good enough team to do that. It beat the New York Giants twice last year.

But under Bruce Arians (three games as a head coach in the NFL), Luck inherited a team that would pass nicely for a Salvation Army drop off box. The Colts have Luck and Reggie Wayne and just about nobody else. Their running backs couldn't get through a wall of Gillette Foamy. And they've already won more games this year (three) than last year (two).

What is it, Mike, RG3's fabulous hair?

If people would just look at these two guys, they'd see Luck has been even more heroic than Mr. Superhero Action Figure Guy.

Luck beat the Green Bay Packers with a TD pass with 35 seconds left. The Green. Bay. Packers. He beat the Vikings after getting the ball on his own 20 with 30 seconds left and drove downfield for the winning field goal. Against the Jags, he pulled off a miraculous game-winning march in the last minute, only to watch the Jags complete an 80-yard stunner at the end.

Don't get me wrong. If you made me choose, I'd rather watch RG3. He swerves and curves as though his hips were removed at birth. But he doesn't seem to care much about the football when he's doing it. He's fumbled five times on runs already this season, and two of them potentially cost the Redskins games. Give me Luck, who hasn't fumbled on a run once.

Look, I love both these guys. Both have been twice as good as advertised, great leaders, and kick-the-dirt humble.

But only one of them is getting any attention.

And that socks.

[dtmfs]

Hey sore loser, evidently you don't understand what welching means. Welching means not honoring a bet after you've lost. What I did was cancel the bet about 20 minutes after making it. Say what you will about that, but it is NOT welching.

Talk about living in the past.

Translation? "I got a hard on thinking about the colts easily beating the saints until I realized I had actually thought they would easily go undefeated but as soon as they balked at a shot at history and had no balls No fucking way was I gonna bet on those pussies"

[dtmfs]

LMAO @ RG3 makes more mistakes and Luck scrambles better, that alone makes that guys opinion as worthless as Poisons catalogue and that's some worthless shit.

[poizond13]

LMAO @ RG3 makes more mistakes and Luck scrambles better, that alone makes that guys opinion as worthless as Poisons catalogue and that's some worthless shit.

My article was written by a respected journalist who's been at it for decades. Yours was written by a nobody who is unheard of.

Oh, BTW:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

[poizond13]

welsh (wlsh, wlch) also welch (wlch)
intr.v. welshed also welched, welsh·ing also welch·ing, welsh·es also welch·es Informal
1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager.
2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.
[Origin unknown.]
welsher n.

You made an obligation (bet) and backed out of it failing to fulfill your obligation therefore you are a welcher!!! Living in the past.....ok Mr. Thinks Bert Miracles is still relevant!!!

1. Welch
Meaning to make a bet, and lose it. Then not follow through with the consequences.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=welch

Your definition also doesn't apply because I owed you no obligation the minute I canceled the bet.

[dtmfs]

My article was written by a respected journalist who's been at it for decades. Yours was written by a nobody who is unheard of.

Oh, BTW:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

Rick Reilly is a douche and a retarded one at that, lets see who the better scrambler is.....

Andrew Luck 183 yards rushing 5 td
RG3 642 yards 6 td

Hmmmmmmm.

[poizond13]

welsh (wlsh, wlch) also welch (wlch)
intr.v. welshed also welched, welsh·ing also welch·ing, welsh·es also welch·es Informal
1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager.
2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.
[Origin unknown.]
welsher n.

You made an obligation (bet) and backed out of it failing to fulfill your obligation therefore you are a welcher!!! Living in the past.....ok Mr. Thinks Bert Miracles is still relevant!!!

1. Welch
Meaning to make a bet, and lose it. Then not follow through with the consequences.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=welch

Your definition also doesn't apply because I owed you no obligation the minute I canceled the bet.

A welch is a welch no matter when you did it!!!

NOPE. You FAILED and are wrong AGAIN.

[poizond13]

My article was written by a respected journalist who's been at it for decades. Yours was written by a nobody who is unheard of.

Oh, BTW:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

Rick Reilly is a douche and a retarded one at that, lets see who the better scrambler is.....

Andrew Luck 183 yards rushing 5 td
RG3 642 yards 6 td

Hmmmmmmm.

He never said he's a better scrambler, he said Luck is a more successful scrambler. Which in many ways is true, Luck scrambles far less than RG3, yet has almost as many TDs and first downs from scrambling.

What do you think about this nugget of info:

Luck is more valuable to his team than Griffin. Sixty-nine percent of the Colts' passing yards are gained while the ball is in the air, the rest after the catch. Only 49 percent of the Skins' passing yards come through the air. In other words, Griffin still has his training wheels on. Luck has his license.

[dtmfs]

I think Rick Reilly is on crack, RG3 ran 70 yards for a game clinching TD, In that one run He almost has half of what Luck has all Year. RG3 also leads the league in pass completions of more than 20 yards yet he can't throw deep? GTFO. I think RG3 fucked Reilly's wife which in turn led to his recent crack addiction.

[poizond13]

Now you're just making dumb excuses.

[dtmfs]

He never said he's a better scrambler, he said Luck is a more successful scrambler. Which in many ways is true, Luck scrambles far less than RG3, yet has almost as many TDs and first downs from scrambling.

Luck runs more successfully than Griffin. He's had 10 scrambles for first downs. Griffin has had nine

Wow a whopping one more first down that just erases nearly 500 yards rushing Griffing has on Luck.

Reilly's an idiot. and Yes Griffin fumbles, but guess what, Luck throws it to the other team far more than Griffin, guess Reilly didn't want to adress that.

[dtmfs]

Now you're just making dumb excuses.

Crack addiction is not an excuse, I feel bad for anyone who thinks a single first down trumps 500 yards. Reilly needs help.

[poizond13]

Now you're just making dumb excuses.

Crack addiction is not an excuse, I feel bad for anyone who thinks a single first down trumps 500 yards. Reilly needs help.

The difference is that RG3 takes off running far more often than Luck. I'd rather have a QB that is pass first, and can take off running for a first down or TD if needed, and that is Luck. He's by far a pocket passer first. RG3 has much more of a tendency to take off and run. There have not been many successful QBs in the NFL with that style of play. And with Griffin's size, it's only a matter of time until he's injured again.

[dtmfs]

Yeah steve young was not very succsesful at fucking all, and Yes I believe He can be every bit as good as Young one day, and while I do believe Luck will be great, to this point He's a slightly more mobile version of Drew Bledsoe.

Speaking of guys named Drew did You happen to see the game tonight? in Your eyes Drew Brees lit the world on fucking fire, Did You see all those attempts and all those yards? He must have watched the game tape of the Colts/pats game but hey look at those yards and attempts!!!

[dtmfs]

The difference is that RG3 takes off running far more often than Luck.

Luck would too if He had the ability to run 70 yards for a score, but alas He dosent.

[poizond13]

The difference is that RG3 takes off running far more often than Luck.

Luck would too if He had the ability to run 70 yards for a score, but alas He dosent.

He's proven he has the ability. He chooses not to because he is a QB, not a running back. Like I said, that type of player has never had success in the NFL over the long term.

[poizond13]

Yeah steve young was not very succsesful at fucking all, and Yes I believe He can be every bit as good as Young one day, and while I do believe Luck will be great, to this point He's a slightly more mobile version of Drew Bledsoe.

Speaking of guys named Drew did You happen to see the game tonight? in Your eyes Drew Brees lit the world on fucking fire, Did You see all those attempts and all those yards? He must have watched the game tape of the Colts/pats game but hey look at those yards and attempts!!!

One topic you can't and won't discuss is the bottom line:

Roger Griffith: 5-6
Andrew Luck: 7-4

NO EXCUSES.

[dtmfs]

Yeah that 2 game advantage blows me away about as much as the 150 more attemps and one more running first down.

The real bottom line is right now RG3 is Your ROY, Can that change? Of course but Luck had better step it up and quit throwing to the guys in the other jerseys.

[dtmfs]

He's proven he has the ability. He chooses not to because he is a QB, not a running back. Like I said, that type of player has never had success in the NFL over the long term.

Bullshit that guy couldn't break a 70 yard run if the D was parted like the red fucking sea.