Andrew Luck Wins Offensive Rookie Of The MONTH....

[poizond13]

He's proven he has the ability. He chooses not to because he is a QB, not a running back. Like I said, that type of player has never had success in the NFL over the long term.

Bullshit that guy couldn't break a 70 yard run if the D was parted like the red fucking sea.

Yes he could. Speaking of the D parting like the red sea, that's exactly what happened on RG3's 70 yard run and you know it.

[poizond13]

Yeah that 2 game advantage blows me away about as much as the 150 more attemps and one more running first down.

The real bottom line is right now RG3 is Your ROY, Can that change? Of course but Luck had better step it up and quit throwing to the guys in the other jerseys.

Only someone who lacks knowledge and a real understanding of the game would think that RG3 is a better player than Andrew Luck.

[Facedown]

One topic you can't and won't discuss is the bottom line:

Roger Griffith: 5-6
Andrew Luck: 7-4

NO EXCUSES.

He doesn't have a record, he's not a pitcher. In the NFL, players are not given a record as part of their stats because it's a team game. You need to read a fucking book about football.

You've been trolling way too long. You can't even keep track of your own lies.

[bane]

One topic you can't and won't discuss is the bottom line:

Roger Griffith: 5-6
Andrew Luck: 7-4

NO EXCUSES.

He doesn't have a record, he's not a pitcher. In the NFL, players are not given a record as part of their stats because it's a team game. You need to read a fucking book about football.

You've been trolling way too long. You can't even keep track of your own lies.

a QB's record doesn't matter, except when it does. It must be in a book about football somewhere.

[Facedown]

Much like the QB rating, troll boy just can't stop being an idiot.

QB rating is a made up stat that means nothing. Has no bearing on the game, never has never will. That's a fact.

Here's all the fucking logic you need:

Career PLAYOFF Qb Rating:

Manning- 88.4
Brady- 85.7

[dtmfs]

Damn, Facedown just flattens that mother fucker with his own words., I suppose He'll try and say QB rating is great to judge for career but not a season.

[Crazy Levi]

One topic you can't and won't discuss is the bottom line:

Roger Griffith: 5-6
Andrew Luck: 7-4

NO EXCUSES.

He doesn't have a record, he's not a pitcher. In the NFL, players are not given a record as part of their stats because it's a team game. You need to read a fucking book about football.

You've been trolling way too long. You can't even keep track of your own lies.

E(xcuses)13

What a fucking tool.

[Crazy Levi]

Can't help but notice facedown's post stopped p14 in his tracks.

Why?

Why won't he answer the Question?

Why is the fact that Andrew Leaf has a measly 2 game win advantage over presumptive rookie of the year RG3 somehow proof that leaf is better, but Tom Brady's two-ring advantage over Peyton manning is meaningless?

He STILL won't answer the question!

I'm guessing the answer has something to do with me being a fair-weather fan

[poizond13]

Can't help but notice facedown's post stopped p14 in his tracks.

Why?

Why won't he answer the Question?

Why is the fact that Andrew Leaf has a measly 2 game win advantage over presumptive rookie of the year RG3 somehow proof that leaf is better, but Tom Brady's two-ring advantage over Peyton manning is meaningless?

He STILL won't answer the question!

I'm guessing the answer has something to do with me being a fair-weather fan

I never said that Luck's 2 win advantage over Leaf was proof alone that he is better. Not once. If RLeaf3 had the better stats and was leading his team better, I would say he was the better QB, and Luck just has the better team. But that is clearly not the case. Luck is doing a lot more than RLeaf is. He has 4 game winning drives to Leaf's 1.

And ponder this. If Peyton Manning never led his team to a winning record and making the playoffs almost every year, would we be looking at him as the greatest of all time? Nope. Fact is, winning is important. It's important that Luck has his team winning, while RGLeaf has his team losing. You can't dismiss it, but it's not the ONLY thing to look at. Also, comparing QBs by how many rings they have is a totally SEPARATE issue, so do not get confused, boy.

[Crazy Levi]

You STILL won't answer the question!!!

Do you see what it's like arguing with you?

It's like arguing with an autistic retard.

[poizond13]

You STILL won't answer the question!!!

Do you see what it's like arguing with you?

It's like arguing with an autistic retard.

I just answered the question, moron. Can you not read?

[dtmfs]

I never said that Luck's 2 win advantage over Leaf was proof alone that he is better. Not once. If RLeaf3 had the better stats and was leading his team better

You implied it You dumbass it's right here on this fucking page along with your flip flopping about QB rating, and no Luck dosent have better stats.

[bane]

Luck has more yards. That's it. RG3 destroys him in every other stat except sacks taken, where they're basically neck and neck. Its not even close. How do you justify saying Luck has better stats?

[Crazy Levi]

Once again, this is all pointless.

RG3 is fucking redefining the qb position, and having one of the best rookie qb seasons EVER.

Luck is just another above average rookie having a decent year.

He's andrew Dalton.

Whereas rg3 is having a historic, revolutionary season that nobody will ever forget.

P13 doesn't understand that. He can't see because he has colts nutsacks directly blocking his view. This will all be settled soon enough, and then the shitstorm of p13 welching and excuses will also make sludge history as the biggest locker room explosion of butthurt we've ever seen.

It'll be fun!

[bane]

Easy on the hyperbole Levi. RG3 is really good, and he's having a fantastic rookie season, but "redifining the position" is a bit much, and nothing will ever compare to the butthurt P13 displayed when the Saints kicked his Daddy's team's ass.

[Crazy Levi]

One cannot help but engage in hyperbole when caught in the logic-suck that is a "discussion" with p13. My apologies. The fact that RG3 is clearly the leader, currently, for roty is enough for me.

Cue 2 weeks of p13 answering every post I make with

"You admit to lying About RG3! You admitted it!!!!!"

Like I said, he's one part rain man, one part Sam I Am.

[dtmfs]

I think they'll both end up among the best rookie QB seasons ever, Luck yardage wise like Newton last year but I can't say i'm too impressed with all those yards given the era. RG3 eficient wise is more impressive IMO.

[bigbuttskinner]

RG3 is a mile out in front of everyone for Rookie of the Year. Unless he completely tanks in December, he's got this one wrapped up.

[Facedown]

the greatest of all time? Nope.

Wow, you actually didn't lie.

[dtmfs]

If Peyton Manning never led his team to a winning record and making the playoffs almost every year, would we be looking at him as the greatest of all time? Nope.

alot of colts nutswingers would regardless. To be fair I think Manning is the best ever, He's got the stats, a ring and aside from his incredible play is the smartest QB I've ever seen. but that's just my opinion, I know You don't like to hear it but Joe Montana always tops the polls when the subject of best ever comes up, I despise him because in the 80's it was Montana or Marino, being the young Dolphin fan that I was I was always of the opinion that Marino was better, He actually was in terms of raw talent, fact is Montana was a better field general and more clutch which led to 4 titles while Marino did nothing but pile up huge numbers.

[Crazy Levi]

Once again p13 has lead us all down a tard-tangent.

Of course winning means something

(cue p13 quoting me on that in response to every post I make for the next 2 weeks)

Archie manning is probably in the hall of fame if he didn't play for so many shitty teams.

But we are talking rookie of the year. We are talking guys who have played 11 fucking games in their entire career.

What the fuck did cam newton "win" last year? 5 games?

He was still rookie of the year. Meanwhile Andy Dalton "won" more games and took the Bengals to the playoffs, yet didn't win rookie of the year. Well gee E(xcuses)13, how on Earth did that happen?!

The idea that Luck "winning" a couple more games than rg3 negates the fact that he is lagging in almost every important statistical category is absolutely ridiculous.

Is it really some kind of huge deal that Luck has managed to steer the Colts to 7-4 when they are 2 years removed from being super bowl favorites?

Well if it is, than its also a huge fucking deal that RG3 has the Redskins- one of the worst teams this century - in playoff contention in December.

He's playing like the rookie of the year by a wide margin, regardless of how the Colts end up. It's his to lose.

[poizond13]

Once again p13 has lead us all down a tard-tangent.

Of course winning means something

(cue p13 quoting me on that in response to every post I make for the next 2 weeks)

Archie manning is probably in the hall of fame if he didn't play for so many shitty teams.

But we are talking rookie of the year. We are talking guys who have played 11 fucking games in their entire career.

What the fuck did cam newton "win" last year? 5 games?

He was still rookie of the year. Meanwhile Andy Dalton "won" more games and took the Bengals to the playoffs, yet didn't win rookie of the year. Well gee E(xcuses)13, how on Earth did that happen?!

The idea that Luck "winning" a couple more games than rg3 negates the fact that he is lagging in almost every important statistical category is absolutely ridiculous.

Is it really some kind of huge deal that Luck has managed to steer the Colts to 7-4 when they are 2 years removed from being super bowl favorites?

Well if it is, than its also a huge fucking deal that RG3 has the Redskins- one of the worst teams this century - in playoff contention in December.

He's playing like the rookie of the year by a wide margin, regardless of how the Colts end up. It's his to lose.

You're full of shit, Levy. Don't even compare RG3 to Cam Newton. Newton threw for a shit load of yards and attempts. If anything, he's more comparable to Luck. In fact, Luck is on pace to shatter Newton's rookie yards record. RG3 is nowhere CLOSE.

As I've said before, I don't get impressed by a QB with low attempts and a high completion percentage. Reminds me of the Alex Smiths and Trent Dilfers of the world. Let RG3 get his attempts at least up to that of an average NFL QB and then let's see what happens. Unfortunately that has yet to be done. He's being coddled and sheltered.

Luck is already carrying the team on his back. His clutch play and poise is off the charts. He has four game winning drives. RG3 has 1.

And you are playing word games when you mention that we were a Super Bowl caliber team two years ago. Only a handful of players/coaches/front office personnel are still around from those teams, and you know it. This is a totally fresh start with mostly young and inexperienced players. So your statement is pure propaganda. I will grant you that the Colts ARE a much better organization than the Redskins.

[Crazy Levi]

Do you realize how boring it is arguing with you?

You are such a one-dimensional troll. You used to be interesting. Now you aren't.

I'm done with you. At least until I make your new sig.

[poizond13]

I got nothing.

Owned.

[bane]

Luck= yards
Rg3= everything else

Truth.

Unless the Skins tank Lucks gonna lose. Truth.

[poizond13]

Luck= yards
Rg3= everything else

Truth.

Unless the Skins tank Lucks gonna lose. Truth.

Game winning drives:

Luck-4
Griffith- 1

ESPN Total QBR:

Luck>Griffith