The NFL Thread

[bane]

They picked Marinovich too. The Raiders have to have the worst drafting history in the league.

Other than Pat Haden and Carson Palmer, why have USC QBs sucked so much in the NFL?

Work Ethic. Despite Machado's protestations, Leinart had all the tools coming out of college but he got caught up in being big man on campus and didn't put the work in. Marinovich was drugs and rebellion after being raised his whole life for greatness, but basically the same problem. Maybe it has something to do with living in SoCal during those college years.

[Machado]

They picked Marinovich too. The Raiders have to have the worst drafting history in the league.

Other than Pat Haden and Carson Palmer, why have USC QBs sucked so much in the NFL?

Work Ethic. Despite Machado's protestations, Leinart had all the tools coming out of college but he got caught up in being big man on campus and didn't put the work in. Marinovich was drugs and rebellion after being raised his whole life for greatness, but basically the same problem. Maybe it has something to do with living in SoCal during those college years.

Did you really believe that Leinart had all the tools coming out of USC?
He reminded me of Scott Mitchell(Dolphins/Lions). His lack of arm strength
was going to catch up with Leinert and it certainly did.

Vince Young is another top pick that went nowhere. He had the size, the arm strength, but he was a spread offense in college. How does that translate well into the NFL. Not well, unless your RGIII. But for every RGIII, there are multiple Vince Young's.

[Facedown]

NESN.com Daily Poll
Who is the ROY?

Russell Wilson - 46%

RGIII ----------- 34%

Andrew Luck --- 20%

[bane]

Vince Young isn't very smart. Look at his Wunderlich score. He's never been able to read defenses. His work ethic left a lot to be desired too. You don't have to have a cannon of an arm to succeed in the NFL. You have to be smart, and you have to be accurate. You have to be a film studying freak too. Preparation is everything. Peyton Manning doesn't have a great arm. He hasn't exactly sucked.

[sin]

They picked Marinovich too. The Raiders have to have the worst drafting history in the league.

Other than Pat Haden and Carson Palmer, why have USC QBs sucked so much in the NFL?

Because Pete Carroll is not a QB coach. He was and is a good coach, but even he knew better than to try and hire Lienart. He got really lucky this year with choosing to start Wilson.

[Machado]

They picked Marinovich too. The Raiders have to have the worst drafting history in the league.

Other than Pat Haden and Carson Palmer, why have USC QBs sucked so much in the NFL?

Because Pete Carroll is not a QB coach. He was and is a good coach, but even he knew better than to try and hire Lienart. He got really lucky this year with choosing to start Wilson.

To date Wilson has to be the rookie of the year. His stats are impressive.
RGIII is a close 2nd. He may win the award if the Skins win the final 2 games of the reg. season.

Luck is a distant 3rd

[Crazy Levi]

He got really lucky this year with choosing to start Wilson.

Lucky? Well, he obviously started Wilson for a reason. Looks like a pretty good call.

So what do the Seahawks do with Flynn? Try to trade him? That's one expensive backup.

[sin]

I would guess. There are still plenty of teams that need a good starter and it doesn't look like as many good ones in the draft. Since Wilson is known to take off running, I would like to know that they have a solid back up behind him before making any trades.

[Machado]

He got really lucky this year with choosing to start Wilson.

Lucky? Well, he obviously started Wilson for a reason. Looks like a pretty good call.

So what do the Seahawks do with Flynn? Try to trade him? That's one expensive backup.

I firmly believe a team needs to have a legit #1 QB and the back-up has to be fully aware that he has no chance of becoming the starter(unless injury).
The Jets situation comes to mind because Sanchez has been looking over his shoulder since the moment the Jets traded for Tebow. That can't be comfortable for either player because they both want to be the starter, they each want to be the #1 guy, but neither of them is worthy of the job based on their play.
Instead of one progressing into a starter, each has had his growth stunted by the other.

I'm not sure if the Skins will have a problem now that RGIII missed a game and Cousins led them to a victory. Will that effect RGIII in a negative way? Will he think about 1 bad play will send him to the bench?

[WTF]

The Jets situation comes to mind because Sanchez has been looking over his shoulder since the moment the Jets traded for Tebow. That can't be comfortable for either player because they both want to be the starter, they each want to be the #1 guy, but neither of them is worthy of the job based on their play.
Instead of one progressing into a starter, each has had his growth stunted by the other.

I'm not sure if the Skins will have a problem now that RGIII missed a game and Cousins led them to a victory. Will that effect RGIII in a negative way? Will he think about 1 bad play will send him to the bench?

You are neglecting the fact that Tebow gets passed over for Greg McElroy when they replace Sanchez. The Jets had no reason to get Tebow. He will NEVER start for them. I don't understand why they don't use him like the Patriots use Julian Edelman. Sanchez sucks. The contract he got is just one more bozo move by the Jets.

[Crazy Levi]

NESN.com Daily Poll
Who is the ROY?

Russell Wilson - 46%

RGIII ----------- 34%

Andrew Luck --- 20%

Luck's stock is falling as fast as his ESPN Total QBR (an important stat).

It's RGIII's to win, if he plays well the last two weeks of the season. If Wilson outplays him and wins Rookie of the Year, so be it, he's had a great season and came in with far lower expectations than either Griffin or Luck, so that would be a fantastic story. Frankly, I have bigger fish to fry - an NFC East title would be the greatest Redskins' moment in 20 years.

After so many terrible Sundays at Fed Ex Field watching horrible football, attending a home playoff game would be the capper on an already fantastic season.

[Machado]

NESN.com Daily Poll
Who is the ROY?

Russell Wilson - 46%

RGIII ----------- 34%

Andrew Luck --- 20%

Luck's stock is falling as fast as his ESPN Total QBR (an important stat).

It's RGIII's to win, if he plays well the last two weeks of the season. If Wilson outplays him and wins Rookie of the Year, so be it, he's had a great season and came in with far lower expectations than either Griffin or Luck, so that would be a fantastic story. Frankly, I have bigger fish to fry - an NFC East title would be the greatest Redskins' moment in 20 years.

After so many terrible Sundays at Fed Ex Field watching horrible football, attending a home playoff game would be the capper on an already fantastic season.

speaking of QBR, Wilson posted the highest QBR rating so far this season vs Buffalo on Sunday.
i think the number was 99.8???

[Crazy Levi]

speaking of QBR, Wilson posted the highest QBR rating so far this season vs Buffalo on Sunday.
i think the number was 99.8???

Jesus. That's really incredible.

QB rating is an antiquated stat and means nothing. It was developed in the 70s and isn't that relevant to today's game. I'd rather look at ESPN's total QBR, which takes into account far more information than the basic passer rating.

Clearly, it is an important stat. And if you look at the rankings, you can see why Rookie of the Year is now a two-way race between Wilson and RG3, with Andrew "Pick Six" Luck being left far, far behind.

6 Robert Griffin III, WSH 71.3
8 Russell Wilson, SEA 68.7

a bunch of other guys

12 Andrew Luck, IND 65.5

Very troubling if you are a Colts fan. You want to see your rookie QB getting better, not worse. And Luck has been dropping all season long in the Total QBR ratings (an important stat), while Wilson and RG3 have been rising.

You know who else started strong and then dropped off quickly? He even LOOKS like Andrew Leaf!

[NeverSurrender]

Drug addiction is hilarious, meathead.

Greg McElroy to start for Jets Sunday. So why did they trade for Tebow again?

[dtmfs]

Luck's stock is falling as fast as his ESPN Total QBR (an important stat).

It's RGIII's to win, if he plays well the last two weeks of the season. If Wilson outplays him and wins Rookie of the Year, so be it, he's had a great season and came in with far lower expectations than either Griffin or Luck, so that would be a fantastic story. Frankly, I have bigger fish to fry - an NFC East title would be the greatest Redskins' moment in 20 years.

After so many terrible Sundays at Fed Ex Field watching horrible football, attending a home playoff game would be the capper on an already fantastic season.

So what happens if Wilson wins, Do all 3 of us have to get a sig, one with Wilson in it or some shit?

[Crazy Levi]

Drug addiction is hilarious, meathead.

Oh fuck you.

Yeah, drug addiction IS hilarious in this case. Leaf was a well-documented world-class douchebag and his completely self-imposed fall from grace is amusing.

What else is off-limits for you? "Purple drank" jokes?

[dtmfs]

Drug addiction is hilarious, meathead.

Greg McElroy to start for Jets Sunday. So why did they trade for Tebow again?

Same reason SHR signed Danica Patrick, merchandising, Tebow is still in the top 10 jersey sales and the dude rarely plays, dumb move but at least they're getting some cash out of the deal in other ways.

[Crazy Levi]

So what happens if Wilson wins, Do all 3 of us have to get a sig, one with Wilson in it or some shit?

Bet would be off in that case, as stated early on. Although for me, Andrew Luck coming in 3rd place would be its own reward.

[NeverSurrender]

Hilarious, I tell you.

[Crazy Levi]

Hilarious, I tell you.

It's Sludge asshole.

SLUDGE.

[WTF]

Drug addiction is hilarious, meathead.

Greg McElroy to start for Jets Sunday. So why did they trade for Tebow again?

You are neglecting the fact that Tebow gets passed over for Greg McElroy when they replace Sanchez. The Jets had no reason to get Tebow. He will NEVER start for them. I don't understand why they don't use him like the Patriots use Julian Edelman. Sanchez sucks. The contract he got is just one more bozo move by the Jets.

[Machado]

Drug addiction is hilarious, meathead.

Greg McElroy to start for Jets Sunday. So why did they trade for Tebow again?

Because the people in charge are idiots

Tannenbaum emphasized that the team is committed to Sanchez.

Here is what they said earlier this year:

"I just think it's a publicity stunt. I really think it's wrong."
Hall of Famer Joe Namath and the rest of the sports world speak out about Tim Tebow getting traded to the Jets.

"Mark Sanchez is, has been and will be our starting quarterback," he said, noting that he had spoken to both quarterbacks and explained their roles.

[dtmfs]

Hilarious, I tell you.

Yeah come on dude druggies get fucked with all the time here, some even after death(Winehouse, Houston) aint no one feeling sorry for Ryan Fucking Leaf.

[NeverSurrender]

Hilarious, I tell you.

It's Sludge asshole.

SLUDGE.

Oh, you're just upset because my "right wing, gun toting, republican ant-gay" or whatever you call me self, cares more about drug addicts than your left wing, liberal agenda ridden ass does.

drug addiction is never funny, especially when it's those god awful pills.

But we don't want to hurt your good time. have at it.

[Crazy Levi]

I can't believe that the Jets brought in Tebow to sell Jerseys. This isn't exactly a poor franchise or one that has trouble putting meat in the seats.

They really thought that Sanchez was going to be all-pro, and that with him playing well, Tebow was going to add a dimension to their offense that was going to make them unstoppable. I mean, look how well Tebow did last season, paired up with the likes of Kyle Orton.

I really believe they thought this was going to work.

[NeverSurrender]

Hilarious, I tell you.

Yeah come on dude druggies get fucked with all the time here, some even after death(Winehouse, Houston) aint no one feeling sorry for Ryan Fucking Leaf.

A couple of people here were making fun of the school shootings. Doesn't mean i have to think it's funny.

[Crazy Levi]

Oh, you're just upset because my "right wing, gun toting, republican ant-gay" or whatever you call me self, cares more about drug addicts than your left wing, liberal agenda ridden ass does.

drug addiction is never funny, especially when it's those god awful pills.

But we don't want to hurt your good time. have at it.

You are lucky this mini-meltdown is hidden over here in Locker Room where nobody else can see it. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

And you are too thick to realize I wasn't even fucking MAKING a Ryan Leaf joke, I was making an Andrew Luck joke. But don't let that stop your bizarre little tantrum.

[NeverSurrender]

I can't believe that the Jets brought in Tebow to sell Jerseys. This isn't exactly a poor franchise or one that has trouble putting meat in the seats.

They really thought that Sanchez was going to be all-pro, and that with him playing well, Tebow was going to add a dimension to their offense that was going to make them unstoppable. I mean, look how well Tebow did last season, paired up with the likes of Kyle Orton.

I really believe they thought this was going to work.

They wanted to get on Hard Knocks. Lots of people who like both the Jets and Islanders in NY. Poor people. Both teams owned and run by morons.

[Machado]

More of what was said/implied when Jets traded for Tebow many months ago:

The interest in the Jets was not a surprise. Jets' coach Rex Ryan and Tebow have the same agent in Jimmy Sexton. Ryan's offense in 2011 also seemed to badly miss Wildcat weapon Brad Smith, who became a free agent after the 2010 season and signed with Buffalo.

The Jets recently extended the contract of incumbent quarterback Mark Sanchez, but better believe Ryan will feel pressure to play Tebow during the 2012 season.

Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum addressed reporters via conference call Wednesday night to explain the day's events.

He immediately asserted that Mark Sanchez is the starting quarterback, and Tebow is the backup, though he'll be used extensively in the Jets' Wildcat package. "We're gonna do a lot of great things with (Sanchez)," he said. "Every quarterback in the NFL has a backup."

But Tannenbaum said both HC Rex Ryan and OC Tony Sparano leapt at the opportunity to acquire Tebow; both men were head coaches of teams that lost to Tebow's Broncos in 2011, and Sparano took a liking to Tebow while coaching him at the 2010 Senior Bowl.

"Rex has always believed in the Wildcat package," said Tannenbaum, "and (Tebow is) another playmaker to add to the mix."

Despite the protracted negotiations over the course of the day, Tannenbaum said the Jets were comfortable paying the price they did and view Tebow as the backup for Sanchez through the 2014 season after which his contract expires.

"It's exciting to know we've solidified that position," said Tannenbaum. "He's our type of guy, he's a competitor, he's a winner.

"It was an unexpected opportunity."

And Tebow should get plenty of opportunities to play even if he's the nominal backup.

"We have a vision for the player, we have a role for the player," said Tannenbaum.

[Crazy Levi]

I wish they'd just fucking start Tebow next week. Why the fuck not? The season is over and it's not like you need to evaluate Sanchez anymore. Might as well help the NY Post sell some papers.