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Skate4RnR wrote:I'm pro gun and I have no problem with shorter magazines and a ban on autos. Big whoop, you can't hunt with that shit. Shit tears up all the meat! IT'S BULLSHIT!
Being a Cro Mags fan and all their Hare Krishna influence I'm surprised you hunt.

As far as guns go those executive orders Obama signed don't do JACK! Someone will have to have the guts to amend the 2nd Amendment or things will never change!

Even the FF said the Amendments can be reviewed periodically to see if they still apply!
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BodyBagz wrote:You want true "Gun Reform", heres a good start....and fuck the NRA before you even throw that bullshit out there...

1) Revisit the current laws already on the book...increase the current penalties and then ENFORCE them to the fullest extent possible.

2) Absolutely NO Plea Deals for Criminal Possession of Firearms period. If the law states a 1st time offense gets you 1 year, then 1 year you do...2nd gets you 3 years and 3rd time is a charm, 10 fucking years with no possibility of parole.

3) If a seller is found to knowingly have sold a firearm to a known felon, then he too can bite the bullet...dealers pay a $5000.00 fine for the 1st offense, 2nd offense gets a $10,000.00 fine and restrictions on monthly gun sales for 12 months with unannounced On-the-spot records review by State and Federal agencies, 3rd offense is Loss of Business License, $25,000.00 fine and 3 years in jail.

4) If a crime is committed and a firearm is either used or in possession of during the crime, automatic addition of 3 years of imprisonment tacked on and to be served consecutively of the sentence levied against the first criminal act. The aforementioned No Plea Bargain caveat is still attached to this as well.

5) Regardless of it being a 1st or 2nd offense, if a weapon is used or in possession, that is an automatic felony. 1st time burglar gets caught with a 9mm, he automatically gets a Felony rating, as well as serves a minimum of 1 year in addition to whatever sentence he gets for the burglary itself. Again, the NO Plea Bargaining deal attaches as well.

6) Mandatory Federal and State background checks with a minimum of 7 days for actual purchasing of said firearm. Make this a National Search Available database for future reference.

7) Levy an Ammunition Tax across the board for ammunition and ammunition material products. 2-5% tax on purchases of 20 rounds or more, or the equivalent in materials needed to make said 20 rounds: powder, primers, cases and bullet heads. Use this money to fund educational and recreational classes for children to adults in the proper use and safety of firearms. The more you educate a person, the better equipped and less frightened of something they will become.

8) Drop the price, or invent a new Federal Firearm License for private citizens to use for person to person sales. The 4473 already contains all the needed info...require that these personal records be kept for no less than 10 years from the date of sale and have them registered and filed in the County Courthouse and only be available upon Court Order in accordance with a Criminal Investigation.


All of these are just off the top of my head...
The NRA will never allow this.. You're infringing on American's SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS DAMMIT!!

Notice you didn't hold the real criminals, the video game industry and Hollywood responsible for glorifying guns, commie!!
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It's amazing.

A typical conservative (not to generalize, but come on, who are we kidding here?) will tell you there is no separation of church and state because that exact wording doesn't appear in the Constitution, but when it comes to the 2nd Amendment's right to "keep and bear arms," suddenly it can be interpreted to mean absolutely anything they god damn want.
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KneelandBobDylan wrote:It's amazing.

A typical conservative (not to generalize, but come on, who are we kidding here?) will tell you there is no separation of church and state because that exact wording doesn't appear in the Constitution, but when it comes to the 2nd Amendment's right to "keep and bear arms," suddenly it can be interpreted to mean absolutely anything they god damn want.
All separation of church and state means is that the federal government cannot establish a national religion. We are each free to pursue our individual beliefs. Obama cannot force the entire country to become Muslims, as much as I suspect he would like to. Separation of church and state was not intended to do what the left wingers have been reading into it for 50 years.
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jay city roller wrote: Obama cannot force the entire country to become Muslims, as much as I suspect he would like to.

Expound on this please.

We knew you had a case of the batshit crazies, but seriously, you're one of those mental midgets as well?
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RATTrules wrote:
Skate4RnR wrote:I'm pro gun and I have no problem with shorter magazines and a ban on autos. Big whoop, you can't hunt with that shit. Shit tears up all the meat! IT'S BULLSHIT!
Being a Cro Mags fan and all their Hare Krishna influence I'm surprised you hunt.
I don't hunt actually but family taught me how when I was growing up. I'm not great but I can skin a buck. The only firearm I own is an antique .22 that's been in the family for generations.

I can't carry a gun because I would've already blown somebody's head off by now. :lol:
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Skate4RnR wrote:
RATTrules wrote:
Skate4RnR wrote:I'm pro gun and I have no problem with shorter magazines and a ban on autos. Big whoop, you can't hunt with that shit. Shit tears up all the meat! IT'S BULLSHIT!
Being a Cro Mags fan and all their Hare Krishna influence I'm surprised you hunt.
I don't hunt actually but family taught me how when I was growing up. I'm not great but I can skin a buck. The only firearm I own is an antique .22 that's been in the family for generations.

I can't carry a gun because I would've already blown somebody's head off by now. :lol:
Not with a .22. You would be lucky to inflict a flesh wound.
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way shitty roller wrote:
Not with a .22. You would be lucky to inflict a flesh wound.
Now we know you're full of shit, troll. Ask James Brady and RFK about their flesh wounds. Ask La Cosa Nostra and the Mossad why they favor the .22 as an assassin's gun.
The Chinese Army has begun using a new JS-2 5.8mm sniper rifle. It's unusual for sniper rifles to use a small round like this. China’s proprietary 5.8x42mm cartridge, which is a little wider than the 5.56 NATO but shorter in overall length is mainly used in the Type 95 assault rifle and a QBB 95 squad light machine-gun. The JS-2 and QBB 95 use a "heavy" 5.8mm round (with a heavier steel core bullet for longer ranges and accuracy).

The JS-2 is a 4 kg (8.8 pound) bolt action rifle with a flash suppressor and five round magazine and scope. This is apparently meant as a true, albeit short range, sniper rifle. An earlier (1989) Type 88 5.8mm sniper rifle was semi-automatic and not really for snipers but rather for the "designated marksman" in each squad.

Noting the success of large scale use of snipers by American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, China is increasing marksmanship and sniper training for its troops. The Chinese analysts apparently also noted that most sniper kills were at relatively short range (even in Afghanistan). Thus there was some justification for a lighter 5.8mm sniper rifle. The Chinese police are also using the JS-2, but police snipers typically operate at shorter ranges than their military counterparts. Time will tell if this analysis justifying 5.8mm sniper rifles is correct.

Over the last two decades the lowly .22 caliber LR (long rifle) round has become a favorite among snipers. Professional assassins (usually thugs working for organized crime) have long favored using .22 caliber (5.56mm) pistols for their work. While not a powerful round, if you shoot someone up close with a .22 caliber pistol several things should be noted.

1- The victim is dead if you shoot him in the head, which is what pros usually aim for (as these guys like to say, "two in the head and you know he's dead.")

2- There is hardly any sound if you use a silencer and not much even if you don't.

3-A 22 caliber pistol is small, even with a silencer. That makes it easier to conceal and easier to dispose of.

Then in the 1990s the Russians noted that Chechen snipers were effectively using .22 LR (long rifle, them little bullets kids use to hunt squirrels and rabbits with) weapons. Inside towns and cities, the .22 LR sniper was very effective, especially since the Chechens would improvise a very workable silencer by putting a plastic bottle on the end of the rifle's barrel, with a hole in the bottom of the barrel for the bullet to exit. Using a cheap scope, Chechen snipers were very deadly at ranges of less than a hundred meters. Such ranges were pretty common in built up areas. And since you usually did not hear the shot (to the head or face, of course), you had a hard time finding the shooter.

Having suffered from these low tech .22 caliber Chechen snipers for ten years, the Russians have come out with their own professional .22 LR sniper rifle, the SV-99. This is a little heavier (at 3.8 kg/8.3 pounds) than your usual .22 LR rifle but is built for professionals. It has a heavier barrel, a bipod, silencer, and scope. It's a meter (39 inches) long and can accept five, eight, or ten round magazines. There is a compartment in the butt stock for two five round magazines. With the SV-99, at a hundred meters, a skilled shooter can consistently put all rounds in a 12mm (half inch) circle. This is a specialist weapon, most likely used by commandos. But any trained sniper can quickly adapt to using it.
And snipers like not being heard. But while the .22 LR is quiet (because it is slower) the military .22 (5.56mm) round is louder. So the Chinese 5.8mm would be difficult to silence well. But if the JS-2 users were supplied with a low power 5.8mm round, and a silencer, well, that would be a different matter entirely.
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Now we know you're full of shit, troll.
It's called sarcasm, retard. Sorry that it went over your head, but it does not surprise me given the level of intelligence (or lack thereof) that you demonstrate on these boards.
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jay city roller wrote:
I want to ass fuck Danzig in the Dark wrote:
jay city roller wrote:
Now we know you're full of shit, troll.
It's called sarcasm, retard. Sorry that it went over your head, but it does not surprise me given the level of intelligence (or lack thereof) that you demonstrate on these boards.
Irony escapes you too.
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vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
Huh?
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vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
bonedog69

And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
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Metal Sludge wrote:
vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
bonedog69

And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
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Grendel wrote:
Metal Sludge wrote:
vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
bonedog69

And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
LOL!!! I never would have guessed that one.
It would have been obvious if he'd went with Gay City Roller as his nym..

So now Ownedog has been a gay, black, Jewish Libertarian who played to huge crowds as a musician in the 80's to a gun toting, chest thumping, NRA 4 Lifing, Republican Nugent wannabe?

Classic..
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Metal Sludge wrote:
vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
bonedog69

And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
Ha! Like Grendel, that one didn't cross my mind.

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Metal Sludge wrote:
vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
bonedog69

And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
Wait, then who is friendshpismagic?
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SeniorGrande wrote:
Metal Sludge wrote:
vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
bonedog69

And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
Wait, then who is friendshpismagic?
Quantavius/TimBerrington/Bronson Brander/holeripper/TheFinalAsslown/etc..
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Luminiferous wrote: Quantavius/TimBerrington/Bronson Brander/holeripper/TheFinalAsslown/etc..
holeripper wasn't bonebog69? I'm totally lost!
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Nah I think bonedog's only other nyms were CharvelStrat and tottyspotter..
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SeniorGrande wrote:
Luminiferous wrote: Quantavius/TimBerrington/Bronson Brander/holeripper/TheFinalAsslown/etc..
holeripper wasn't bonebog69? I'm totally lost!
No...that was my fault though.
I jumped the gun on that one.
But this guy totally is.

He's been awfully quiet since I pointed that out, hasn't he?
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Metal Sludge wrote:
SeniorGrande wrote:
Luminiferous wrote: Quantavius/TimBerrington/Bronson Brander/holeripper/TheFinalAsslown/etc..
holeripper wasn't bonebog69? I'm totally lost!
No...that was my fault though.
I jumped the gun on that one.
But this guy totally is.

He's been awfully quiet since I pointed that out, hasn't he?
If friendshipismagic is Quantavius, etc., why does Hungwell think he's Purple_Idiot/WastedRumpRanger?

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KneelandBobDylan wrote:
jay city roller wrote: Obama cannot force the entire country to become Muslims, as much as I suspect he would like to.

Expound on this please.

We knew you had a case of the batshit crazies, but seriously, you're one of those mental midgets as well?
The middle eastern trio of religions are BULLSHIT! Like Harley in the Cro-Mags said "Fuck the middle east!". If anything Obama is more of an atheist like his mom and like Bill Clinton, John McCain and others.

Plenty of closet atheists and doubters who don't believe bible bullshit but they just can't admit it!
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How many times did that atheist Obama mention God when he addressed the nation after Sandy Hook?
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WhiteHouseSubsAC wrote:How many times did that atheist Obama mention God when he addressed the nation after Sandy Hook?
I admit that was surprising. He's not running for re - election so no need to pander. But even Bill Maher has said he thinks Obama is a secular humanist like his mom.

Maybe Obama just was giving the same bullshit religious excuse that people have been saying forever just to make people feel better.
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vlad wrote:
Do people really need 100 round mags or drums..for "self-defense"? The mother of the latest killer was a "survivalist"..what's that show, Doomsday Preppers or something like that. She believed in an impending economic collapse, yada, yada..bought the Bushmaster, etc for "protection"...that worked fabulously. :roll: I suppose that a zombie apocalypse might require such weapons, but until I see Congress take up this threat, I'll still think that that stuff is not needed or should be available.
Sounds like my brother in law. After Obama won he went out and bought several guns and plans on teaching his two sons, wife and my little great niece how to shoot them. He says that he has bad feelings about Obama being re-elected and wants to be prepared in case the country goes to hell as he puts it.
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Metal Sludge wrote:
vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
bonedog69

And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
It is true. Four years ago, I invented a character that I called bonedog69. I just meant it to be entertaining and to make people laugh. Kind of like CC Banana back in the day. I tried to make it obvious enough that it was a character, yet abstract enough to get people to post funny responses.

Now that I am posting as myself - Jay, my real name - I hope that we can forget about bonedog69 and let me be myself. I will not post any more political commentary, even though I am a supporter of the second amendment. I mostly enjoy reading about music on here. Lots of great insight. Thanks.

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vlad wrote:So who did you used to be jay city roller?
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And this incarnation is trying my patience just as quickly.
Holy shit. I never would have guessed that.
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