The NFL Thread

[HeavyMetalZombie666]

I suddenly find myself a New England Patriots super fan next week. I hope New England goes all Aaron Hernandez on Denver next week. If Peyton left with a concussion on the first play of the game I'm not saying I'd wish it, but I'd hope they go through all 92 steps and tests for him to pass before playing again....Next season.

Manning maybe forced into retirement as it is.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... -neck-exam

[johnk5150]

I didn't know the Mannings older brother had a similar injury.

[kylel]

Yeah I had high hopes and thought they looked good at the start. The refs fucked us on a few plays also. 12 men on the field and the head butt that was not called right in front of the ref... We had some shitty frustration moves also i.e. getting angry, throwing a punch etc... I hope next year is better but I'm worried about how many contracts are up.

Somewhere during the season we traded Giants a draft pick for a player, curious to see how that works out for us...

[Machado]

Yeah I had high hopes and thought they looked good at the start. The refs fucked us on a few plays also. 12 men on the field and the head butt that was not called right in front of the ref... We had some shitty frustration moves also i.e. getting angry, throwing a punch etc... I hope next year is better but I'm worried about how many contracts are up.

Somewhere during the season we traded Giants a draft pick for a player, curious to see how that works out for us...

I didn't have a rooting interest in the Car vs SF game, but it was fun
to watch Carolina lose.
Why were several Carolina players "chirping" so much during the game?
Were they trying to intimidate SF with verbal abuse?
Carolina should have concentrated a lot more on execution and less on
their verbal trash talk that obviously got them nowhere.

The amount of in your face trash talk was absurd.

I do recognize that a 49er player should have been flagged for the "head butt". Then again if Car would have played the game more and talked a lot less.

[WTF]

Carolina should have concentrated a lot more on execution and less on
their verbal trash talk

They should have hired the sign language guy from Mandela's memorial so they didn't have to verbalize that shit.

[Machado]

Would be nice to see Brady knock out Denver and speed up the date when
Peyton retires from the game for good.


Brady>Peyton

Regardless of the reg. season stats, Peyton does not have the same SB wins as Brady.

[AliceManson]

Would be nice to see Brady knock out Denver and speed up the date when
Peyton retires from the game for good.


Brady>Peyton

Regardless of the reg. season stats, Peyton does not have the same SB wins as Brady.

The Patriots are my AFC team and my second favorite team. Even I will admit, Super Bowl rings or the number you have won mean nothing in this argument. Teams win Super Bowls, not players. And besides Manning never had a coach like Belichick behind him.

[Horse Called War]

DENVER VS. SF IN THE SUPERBOWL. Great game on Sunday, voice is shot, hungover like a motherfucker.
If Manning wins, i think he will hang it up for good.

[Machado]

Would be nice to see Brady knock out Denver and speed up the date when
Peyton retires from the game for good.


Brady>Peyton

Regardless of the reg. season stats, Peyton does not have the same SB wins as Brady.

The Patriots are my AFC team and my second favorite team. Even I will admit, Super Bowl rings or the number you have won mean nothing in this argument. Teams win Super Bowls, not players. And besides Manning never had a coach like Belichick behind him.

If you want to add Peyton to the "great QB's" list, then Peyton need
to win SB's. Plain and simple. I think I counted 10+ occasions where Peyton was knocked out of the playoffs. That does not translate to greatness.

[AliceManson]

If you want to add Peyton to the "great QB's" list, then Peyton need
to win SB's. Plain and simple. I think I counted 10+ occasions where Peyton was knocked out of the playoffs. That does not translate to greatness.

Yep, that Dan Marino was an awful, awful quarterback.

[Machado]

If you want to add Peyton to the "great QB's" list, then Peyton need
to win SB's. Plain and simple. I think I counted 10+ occasions where Peyton was knocked out of the playoffs. That does not translate to greatness.

Yep, that Dan Marino was an awful, awful quarterback.

Wrong.
Marino was a great quarterback. He put up terrific numbers with Miami.
Is he among the greatest of all time? I don't think so. I think there are many ahead of him and they are ahead of him for good reasons:
Winning the Super Bowl at least once.

[AliceManson]

If you want to add Peyton to the "great QB's" list, then Peyton need
to win SB's. Plain and simple. I think I counted 10+ occasions where Peyton was knocked out of the playoffs. That does not translate to greatness.

Yep, that Dan Marino was an awful, awful quarterback.

Wrong.
Marino was a great quarterback. He put up terrific numbers with Miami.
Is he among the greatest of all time? I don't think so. I think there are many ahead of him and they are ahead of him for good reasons:
Winning the Super Bowl at least once.

Wait, Peyton isn't one of the great quarterbacks because he only won the Super Bowl once, but Dan Marino is even though he never won a Super Bowl? I'm not even a Peyton Manning fan, but to argue he isn't one of the all time greats is asinine. Tony Romo is a better QB than Peyton too right?

[Machado]

Yep, that Dan Marino was an awful, awful quarterback.

Wrong.
Marino was a great quarterback. He put up terrific numbers with Miami.
Is he among the greatest of all time? I don't think so. I think there are many ahead of him and they are ahead of him for good reasons:
Winning the Super Bowl at least once.

Nope Romo is nowhere near as great as Peyton. How would Romo be greater than Peyton?



Wait, Peyton isn't one of the great quarterbacks because he only won the Super Bowl once, but Dan Marino is even though he never won a Super Bowl? I'm not even a Peyton Manning fan, but to argue he isn't one of the all time greats is asinine. Tony Romo is a better QB than Peyton too right?

Nope Romo is nowhere near as great as Peyton. How would Romo be greater than Peyton?

[bane]

Peyton Manning isn't an all time great QB? What the hell are you smoking Machado? His lack of post season success will probably keep him out of the top spot alongside guys like Montana, but if you think he isn't one of the best to ever play the position, you've got brain damage.

[John Simon Ritchie]

Stupidity has taken hold in here.

[bane]

Somebody has been reading too much Florio.

[Machado]

Peyton Manning isn't an all time great QB? What the hell are you smoking Machado? His lack of post season success will probably keep him out of the top spot alongside guys like Montana, but if you think he isn't one of the best to ever play the position, you've got brain damage.

How many all-time greats can be put on 1 list?
Is Peyton in the top 5, top 10, top 20?
Are the all time greats in the top 10? You tell me the parameters and let's go from there.

Montana>Peyton
Brady>Peyton
Aikman>Peyton
Bradshaw>Payton
Starr>Peyton
S. Young>Peyton
Staubach>Peyton
Rothliesberger>Peyton
Elway>Peyton
Unitas>Peyton

[bane]

From that list I'd say Montana, Brady and Elway are in the conversation. By your logic Dilfer is as good as Manning.

[Machado]

From that list I'd say Montana, Brady and Elway are in the conversation. By your logic Dilfer is as good as Manning.

Wrong. Where did you get that from? I simply listed a number of QB's that I feel right now should be ranked higher than Peyton.

Where did it say Dilfer? Even Dilfer would describe himself as anything but
a great QB.

[UtahRatt]

Peyton manning is one of the greatest regular season QB's of all time. His playoff and Super Bowl record is where he's blown more then a few. If you don't think Manning has blown a lot of big games you've never watched him play. I've probably watched them all.

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Manning’s playoff record just 9-11, his 11 losses are tied with Brett Favre for most in NFL history.
No quarterback has been to the playoffs more than Peyton Manning or experienced more heartache there, either.

Only once in his previous dozen trips to the postseason party has Manning put his fingerprints on the Lombardi Trophy.

His 9-11 postseason record stands in stark contrast to his 167-73 regular-season mark and includes eight first-round exits, none more scarring than last year’s AFC divisional-round home loss to Baltimore as the AFC’s top seed.

He also lost his first playoff game in Indianapolis as the No. 1 seed after the 2005 season, then bounced back to win it all the next year. Since then, he’s won just two of seven playoff games and lost his past three.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 12xml.html

[bane]

From that list I'd say Montana, Brady and Elway are in the conversation. By your logic Dilfer is as good as Manning.

Wrong. Where did you get that from? I simply listed a number of QB's that I feel right now should be ranked higher than Peyton.

Where did it say Dilfer? Even Dilfer would describe himself as anything but
a great QB.

All you did was list guys with more Super Bowl wins. My conclusion wasn't much of a stretch. I guess Eli is better too, right?

[bane]

Peyton manning is one of the greatest regular season QB's of all time. His playoff and Super Bowl record is where he's blown more then a few. If you don't think Manning has blown a lot of big games you've never watched him play. I've probably watched them all.

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Manning’s playoff record just 9-11, his 11 losses are tied with Brett Favre for most in NFL history.
No quarterback has been to the playoffs more than Peyton Manning or experienced more heartache there, either.

Only once in his previous dozen trips to the postseason party has Manning put his fingerprints on the Lombardi Trophy.

His 9-11 postseason record stands in stark contrast to his 167-73 regular-season mark and includes eight first-round exits, none more scarring than last year’s AFC divisional-round home loss to Baltimore as the AFC’s top seed.

He also lost his first playoff game in Indianapolis as the No. 1 seed after the 2005 season, then bounced back to win it all the next year. Since then, he’s won just two of seven playoff games and lost his past three.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 12xml.html

I'd argue that Manning's failures have cone down to the fact that his teams have largely expected him to do absolutely everything. It's tough to win against the best in the game under those circumstances.

[Machado]

From that list I'd say Montana, Brady and Elway are in the conversation. By your logic Dilfer is as good as Manning.

Wrong. Where did you get that from? I simply listed a number of QB's that I feel right now should be ranked higher than Peyton.

Where did it say Dilfer? Even Dilfer would describe himself as anything but
a great QB.

All you did was list guys with more Super Bowl wins. My conclusion wasn't much of a stretch. I guess Eli is better too, right?

I know Eli has won more SB's to date.
I also was aware that Manning has been bounced 11 times from the playoffs. For someone that could be considered among the all time best, he does have a bad habit of losing quite a bit.
Him and Jim Kelly should hang out from time to time and share losing stories.

[Tenacious_Dio]

Starr>Peyton

Have you ever seen the '60's Packers play? Starr usually averaged less than 20 attempts per game.

[UtahRatt]

I'd argue that Manning's failures have cone down to the fact that his teams have largely expected him to do absolutely everything. It's tough to win against the best in the game under those circumstances.

Elway carried teams on his back to the super bowl, QB's like Montana didn't fuckup with the game on the line. Manning has played on great teams with HOF wide receivers and running backs yet he's managed choke with the game on the line.

Manning is one of the best I've ever seen but if I was in the Playoffs or Super Bowl I could write long list of QB's I'd rather have.

[UtahRatt]

Starr>Peyton

Have you ever seen the '60's Packers play? Starr usually averaged less than 20 attempts per game.

Starr didn't throw 45 times a game and forces balls in triple coverage because of his HUGE EGO. Starr also didn't throw four interceptions, three of them to Ty Law in a playoff loss to New England.

[Tenacious_Dio]

Starr didn't throw 45 times a game and forces balls in triple coverage because of his HUGE EGO.

Starr didn't throw 45 times a game because Vince Lombardi told him to hand the ball off to Paul Hornung and Jim Taylor for most of the plays.

Not defending Manning's postseason meltdowns. Just saying that him and Starr are apples and oranges.

[UtahRatt]

Not defending Manning's postseason meltdowns. Just saying that him and Starr are apples and oranges.

In most aspects, sure. But one of them didn't have an ego and was a total team player. How would Manning respond if was told/forced to throw less then 20 times a game?

[bane]

I'd argue that Manning's failures have cone down to the fact that his teams have largely expected him to do absolutely everything. It's tough to win against the best in the game under those circumstances.

Elway carried teams on his back to the super bowl, QB's like Montana didn't fuckup with the game on the line. Manning has played on great teams with HOF wide receivers and running backs yet he's managed choke with the game on the line.

Manning is one of the best I've ever seen but if I was in the Playoffs or Super Bowl I could write long list of QB's I'd rather have.

Elway also lost three Super Bowls before Terrell Davis helped him win one. I'd say there are some pretty close comparisons between those two guys.

[UtahRatt]

Elway also lost three Super Bowls before Terrell Davis helped him win one. I'd say there are some pretty close comparisons between those two guys.

Please , Elway carried the team on his back alone during those years. Elway wasn't given a running game or Oline. Who did Elway have Sammy Winder? How many can name the three amigos who totally wasn't stable due to injury. Then eventually Sharp.

Peyton was loaded to the fucking teeth from day one. Peyton walked on a team with Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison, Dilger, Pollard, Zack Crockett, Craig fucking Heyward AND the first thing Indy did was invest in Oline. So between the strong blocking FB's & TE's Peyton got an O-line along with Hall Of Fame running backs and WR's.

It's nothing close to the same situation unless you're joking.

The verdict.
What did Indy do when they lost Peyton? 11-5 and in the playoffs two years in a row so far?

What Did Denver do after Elway?