Dump Shithole

[SebastianLeeDanzig]

As loony as some guy who mailed people bombs? As loony as a guy who drove his car through a crowd of people?

You bet. In Canada the PLQ set off car bombs in the 60s.

The PLQ? Don't you mean the FLQ. And yeah, the FLQ was the Canadian version of the Red Army Faction and others in Europe and the Weathermen, etc in the US. Roughly half a century ago.

The FLQ was nationalist as fuck, though. They were at least as Trumpian as they were left-wing. Far cry from the RAF, which was totally rad. If the political world keeps turning the way it is recently, I fucking hope some young crazies start exactly that type of shit again. Baader-Ensslin 4 life!

Still, check human victims of right-wing terror vs. left-wing terror, any country, any time. Then fuck off forever with that alternative facts noise.

[exitflagger]

Well, it didn't take long for Dickface to pipe up with his true feelings on the matter. Upshot: He is essentially SIDING WITH THE BOMBER on this.

What. A. Fucking. Asshole.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-BBOR2gF?

[vlad]

You bet. In Canada the PLQ set off car bombs in the 60s.

The PLQ? Don't you mean the FLQ. And yeah, the FLQ was the Canadian version of the Red Army Faction and others in Europe and the Weathermen, etc in the US. Roughly half a century ago.

The FLQ was nationalist as fuck, though. They were at least as Trumpian as they were left-wing. Far cry from the RAF, which was totally rad. If the political world keeps turning the way it is recently, I fucking hope some young crazies start exactly that type of shit again. Baader-Ensslin 4 life!

Still, check human victims of right-wing terror vs. left-wing terror, any country, any time. Then fuck off forever with that alternative facts noise.

No argument from me on any of this. I was tossing the FLQ (which identified as Leninist/Marxit/Maoist/whatever)...I forget) in with the other groups of the period who were bombing shit, etc. "Revolution" was in the air. The most interesting thing about the Baader-Meinhof Group to me was how they all "suicided" on the same night, while in freaking prison without being able to communicate with each other. Yeah right.

[Danzig in the Dark]

False flag by the Dems?

Which is more reasonable:
1. A massive conspiracy spanning several states involving numerous local, state and federal agencies including but not limited to the FBI, ATF, Secret Service, USPS, SPD, NYPD and MPDC.
2. Some conservative fuckstick with shitty bomb making skills.

[dtmfs]

jesus i was just talking to someone about this stuff this afternoon, was kind of hoping that trump and waters would at least specfically renounced their own stupid words, guess not, maybe when a bomb actually goes off these fucks will actually grow up.

[BlackCrypt]

Where was the outrage when ricin filled envelopes were sent to President Donald Trump, James Mattis and John Richardson?

Where was the uproar when leaders of the Democrat party encouraged their supporters to harass Trump cabinet members?

You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about

[dtmfs]

Where was the outrage when ricin filled envelopes were sent to President Donald Trump, James Mattis and John Richardson?

Where was the uproar when leaders of the Democrat party encouraged their supporters to harass Trump cabinet members?

You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about

my guess is it's too much to ask either party to not be a fucking hypocrite, the shit is tiring and reminds me of why i try to stay ouit of politics.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Where was the outrage when ricin filled envelopes were sent to President Donald Trump, James Mattis and John Richardson?

How can we be sure that wasn't a false flag operation? The envelopes contained ground castor beans. William Clyde Allen III threatened to kill President Obama in 2015. Where was your outrage then?

Where was the uproar when leaders of the Democrat party encouraged their supporters to harass Trump cabinet members?

You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about

Are you trying to compare saying mean things to people and trying to murder people with bombs? You poor widdle babykins, tell us where those meanyhead liberals hurt you. Now come back and tell us how liberals are easily triggered snowflakes. You are the Trumptard TenLenny, lacking in both brains and self-awareness.

[Luminiferous]

Where was the outrage when ricin filled envelopes were sent to President Donald Trump, James Mattis and John Richardson?

Where was the uproar when leaders of the Democrat party encouraged their supporters to harass Trump cabinet members?

I'm not sure about anyone else, but mine was tied up in those thoughts and prayers after the Vegas massacre and Parkland, Florida school shooting...

[SebastianLeeDanzig]

The most interesting thing about the Baader-Meinhof Group to me was how they all "suicided" on the same night, while in freaking prison without being able to communicate with each other. Yeah right.

There's a pretty good book out that paints a credible picture from the point of view of Stammheim guard Horst Bubeck (who's not exactly partial to the penal system). The reports on torture and isolation were largely fabricated to mobilize the new RAF generation outside, Baader and Ensslin were fanatic to the point where suicide to frame the prison is absolutely conceivable. And it's been proven all four members could not only communicate freely, they even had regular meetings for hours. The actual scandal that was never debunked is that the prison management knew of their suicide plans and facilitated them.

[Kiss Crue]

The FLQ were Quebec separatists. I didn't know they had any political affiliation other than hating english people and wanting to leave Canada. Quebecers have always been left wing slanted though and separatists have always promised a social paradise once Ottawa is out of the equation. Racism against minorities is common and legislated there.

Also I can understand the PLQ reference...it's the melding in the mind of the Parti Quebecois (PQ) and the FLQ. Pretty easy to blur the lines between the 2.

[milk-milk-lemonade]

Targeted ex-CIA chief tells Trump: Stop blaming others. Look in the mirror.

[Kiss Crue]

You bet. In Canada the PLQ set off car bombs in the 60s.

The PLQ? Don't you mean the FLQ. And yeah, the FLQ was the Canadian version of the Red Army Faction and others in Europe and the Weathermen, etc in the US. Roughly half a century ago.

The FLQ was nationalist as fuck, though. They were at least as Trumpian as they were left-wing. Far cry from the RAF, which was totally rad. If the political world keeps turning the way it is recently, I fucking hope some young crazies start exactly that type of shit again. Baader-Ensslin 4 life!

Still, check human victims of right-wing terror vs. left-wing terror, any country, any time. Then fuck off forever with that alternative facts noise.

Not surprising that government sponsored terrorism apparently doesn't rank as terrorism in your mind because boy are you ever off otherwise.

Various estimates of people Joseph Stalin killed starts at 20 million people. It goes all the way up to 60-80M.

Chairman Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years ie 1958 to 1962.

The overall deaths directly attributed to communism in the 20th century was 100 Million people.

The biggest reason fascism became popular in western Europe was fear of Joseph Stalin, communism and their fear of losing their way of life and family if they came under Soviet rule as what was happening in Eastern Europe. Support for Hitler, Franco, Mussolini was, largely, and to varying degrees, a response to the fear of Joseph Stalin. Most felt better with their own tough guy thug dictator who could make them feel like they didn't need to fear Stalin. In other words, the rise of fascism doesn't ever happen if you don't have communism and an authoritative Russia wanting to implement it on it's neighbours.

And of course it was politically necessary for these fascists to take up political ideologies that were diametrically opposed to communism. As we all know ,the only political ideology these people really had was authoritative rule over their people and they would have commandeered any political ideology to achieve that end.

In Hitler's case, the biggest practical reason to be "against" communism was the commie party was his biggest rival when he was rising in Germany. His political choices were to join the communist party or not be a communist. He rightly surmised joining a fringe disjointed party like the nazi's were at the time would be better for his career.

Government kills more people everyday than every private citizen multiplied by the thousands. I would make the case that anyone that supports the expansion of government (ie left wing ideology) is unwittingly sponsoring more killing and violence. Are Palestinian kids victims of private citizens or governments? How about the caravan of people coming from Honduras? How about the people of Yemen? How about Syria? I could go on...are all these people being victimized by private citizens or governments?

[vlad]

The most interesting thing about the Baader-Meinhof Group to me was how they all "suicided" on the same night, while in freaking prison without being able to communicate with each other. Yeah right.

There's a pretty good book out that paints a credible picture from the point of view of Stammheim guard Horst Bubeck (who's not exactly partial to the penal system). The reports on torture and isolation were largely fabricated to mobilize the new RAF generation outside, Baader and Ensslin were fanatic to the point where suicide to frame the prison is absolutely conceivable. And it's been proven all four members could not only communicate freely, they even had regular meetings for hours. The actual scandal that was never debunked is that the prison management knew of their suicide plans and facilitated them.

Is this book by Kurt Oesterie?

[SebastianLeeDanzig]

Not surprising that government sponsored terrorism apparently doesn't rank as terrorism in your mind because boy are you ever off otherwise.

Various estimates of people Joseph Stalin killed starts at 20 million people. It goes all the way up to 60-80M.

Chairman Mao killed 45 million people in 4 years ie 1958 to 1962.

The overall deaths directly attributed to communism in the 20th century was 100 Million people.

The biggest reason fascism became popular in western Europe was fear of Joseph Stalin, communism and their fear of losing their way of life and family if they came under Soviet rule as what was happening in Eastern Europe. Support for Hitler, Franco, Mussolini was, largely, and to varying degrees, a response to the fear of Joseph Stalin. Most felt better with their own tough guy thug dictator who could make them feel like they didn't need to fear Stalin. In other words, the rise of fascism doesn't ever happen if you don't have communism and an authoritative Russia wanting to implement it on it's neighbours.

And of course it was politically necessary for these fascists to take up political ideologies that were diametrically opposed to communism. As we all know ,the only political ideology these people really had was authoritative rule over their people and they would have commandeered any political ideology to achieve that end.

In Hitler's case, the biggest practical reason to be "against" communism was the commie party was his biggest rival when he was rising in Germany. His political choices were to join the communist party or not be a communist. He rightly surmised joining a fringe disjointed party like the nazi's were at the time would be better for his career.

Government kills more people everyday than every private citizen multiplied by the thousands. I would make the case that anyone that supports the expansion of government (ie left wing ideology) is unwittingly sponsoring more killing and violence. Are Palestinian kids victims of private citizens or governments? How about the caravan of people coming from Honduras? How about the people of Yemen? How about Syria? I could go on...are all these people being victimized by private citizens or governments?

So you decide to move the goalposts and speak about something entirely different, that by definition has nothing to do with the actual subject we were talking about, and then you still fuck it up 100%.

Yeah, we get it, communism is worse than the Shoa, but for fuck's sake, did Jordan Peterson write some revisionist bestseller on the roots of fascism or something? That's all such ridiculous, disproven nonsense. Read a fucking 6 grade school book on Weimar Republic and get the fuck out with this red scare horse shit.

Is this book by Kurt Oesterie?

I believe that's the one, yeah. But it's basically made from interviews with Bubeck.

[AnotherPerfectB*stard]

In Hitler's case, the biggest practical reason to be "against" communism was the commie party was his biggest rival when he was rising in Germany. His political choices were to join the communist party or not be a communist. He rightly surmised joining a fringe disjointed party like the nazi's were at the time would be better for his career.

Please put down the crack pipe and read a fucking history book, it's not difficult and you might even stop exhibiting your ignorance.

Hitler joined the a tiny Bavarian political party DAP (based on their anti-Semitic, nationalistic, anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist beliefs which he identified with) he later personally re-organised the DAP into the Nazi party.

"His political choices were to join the communist party or not be a communist." - really?

[vlad]

Is this book by Kurt Oesterie?

I believe that's the one, yeah. But it's basically made from interviews with Bubeck.

Thanks. I had looked it up. Can only find it in German (sadly, though it was my foreign language in high school, I can barely slog through even reading anymore Though it came in handy when we had to read Beowulf in the original in college, so thanks for that ). Maybe I can hunt down some English commentary. The whole RaF is interesting to me, that whole period actually.

In Hitler's case, the biggest practical reason to be "against" communism was the commie party was his biggest rival when he was rising in Germany. His political choices were to join the communist party or not be a communist. He rightly surmised joining a fringe disjointed party like the nazi's were at the time would be better for his career.

Please put down the crack pipe and read a fucking history book, it's not difficult and you might even stop exhibiting your ignorance.

Hitler joined the a tiny Bavarian political party DAP (based on their anti-Semitic, nationalistic, anti-capitalist and anti-Marxist beliefs which he identified with) he later personally re-organised the DAP into the Nazi party.

"His political choices were to join the communist party or not be a communist." - really?

Jesus, I skip KC's blah, blahing, but that's some especially idiotic thinking from him.

[vlad]

So I see the bit where DeNiro said he'd like to punch Trump in the face as being the proof that the left is just as violent. Perhaps here is where it should be pointed out that Trump said the exact same thing, like DeNiro was quoting him, verbatim. The only change was DeNiro was specific about who. Trump didn't know the protestor's name.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/02/23/politics ... index.html

[MickeyG]

False flag by the Dems?

I'm gonna say no, although there seem to be a few whackadoo conspiracy theories out there already. What's so hard to believe about some nutjob following Trump's lead after two years of Trump attacking specific people and inciting violence and partisan divisiveness?

One of the deplorables I work with actually said the dems were behind it today after I mentioned more bombs had been found. They also claimed the other day that this "caravan" of people coming up through Mexico is also a setup by the dems to cause trouble when they get denied entry. They also think the electoral college is a good thing.

[milk-milk-lemonade]

An aggrieved Trump digs in after pipe bomb scares

Washington (CNN) — President Donald Trump believes he is being unfairly linked to the pipe bombs delivered to frequent targets of his acrimonious rhetoric and has watched with disdain as the national conversation has shifted to his role in shaping the divisive political environment.

Rather than cooling off his tone, he is digging in, two people who spoke to him on Thursday said. Trump has no plans to claim any personal responsibility that he has contributed to the divisive climate surrounding the attempted attacks, the two people said. And his advisers have no plans to urge him to dial back his attacks on the media, a senior White House official said.


more..
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/25/politi ... cnn.com%2F

[TenBenny]

An aggrieved Trump digs in after pipe bomb scares

Washington (CNN) — President Donald Trump believes he is being unfairly linked to the pipe bombs delivered to frequent targets of his acrimonious rhetoric and has watched with disdain as the national conversation has shifted to his role in shaping the divisive political environment.

Rather than cooling off his tone, he is digging in, two people who spoke to him on Thursday said. Trump has no plans to claim any personal responsibility that he has contributed to the divisive climate surrounding the attempted attacks, the two people said. And his advisers have no plans to urge him to dial back his attacks on the media, a senior White House official said.


more..
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/25/politi ... cnn.com%2F

Standard Trump tactic from Roy Cohn's playbook. Deny, then attack twice as hard. Trump will never admit complicity in this, even though the correlation between his public rhetoric and the specificity of these attacks is clear.

[Mojo]

Trump didn't know the protestor's name.

He even promised to pay the legal fees of any of his Hitler Youth rally-goers who got handsy with protesters. Such a pacifist.

That said, there is, as always, a bit of revisionism going on in this thread. "The Left" has Antifa. Enough has been said about them. There are huge groups of left-leaning people who literally riot and set shit on fire when courts don't side with a minority. Large groups of students violently protest when speakers they disagree with come to their school. When Scalise was shot, Twitter exploded with liberals basically praising his shooting on political grounds, and we've no shortage of celebrities who've been just as gleefully shitty as Trump. These are examples of both actions and "just words" that are as egregious as those of the Right.
As always - just because Donald Trump is a piece of shit doesn't mean his opposition isn't. There's a weird need to slide the scale with this stuff. When Trump's douchebaggery rises, people see his opposition's levels of douchebaggery lower. It doesn't work that way.
All that said, holding up this bomber or even Trump as a representative of the Right is as ridiculous as holding up your basic-bitch Antifa member as a paragon of Leftist values. It's all partisan bullshit. We'll never reverse this and it's fucking scary.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Trump didn't know the protestor's name.

He even promised to pay the legal fees of any of his Hitler Youth rally-goers who got handsy with protesters. Such a pacifist.

That said, there is, as always, a bit of revisionism going on in this thread. "The Left" has Antifa. Enough has been said about them. There are huge groups of left-leaning people who literally riot and set shit on fire when courts don't side with a minority. Large groups of students violently protest when speakers they disagree with come to their school. When Scalise was shot, Twitter exploded with liberals basically praising his shooting on political grounds, and we've no shortage of celebrities who've been just as gleefully shitty as Trump. These are examples of both actions and "just words" that are as egregious as those of the Right.
As always - just because Donald Trump is a piece of shit doesn't mean his opposition isn't. There's a weird need to slide the scale with this stuff. When Trump's douchebaggery rises, people see his opposition's levels of douchebaggery lower. It doesn't work that way.
All that said, holding up this bomber or even Trump as a representative of the Right is as ridiculous as holding up your basic-bitch Antifa member as a paragon of Leftist values. It's all partisan bullshit. We'll never reverse this and it's fucking scary.

List these Antifa riots you speak of and these countless Twitter posts endorsing Scalice's attempted murder. Your Two Gun Sam whataboutism is tedious and ridiculous.

[Mojo]

Trump didn't know the protestor's name.

He even promised to pay the legal fees of any of his Hitler Youth rally-goers who got handsy with protesters. Such a pacifist.

That said, there is, as always, a bit of revisionism going on in this thread. "The Left" has Antifa. Enough has been said about them. There are huge groups of left-leaning people who literally riot and set shit on fire when courts don't side with a minority. Large groups of students violently protest when speakers they disagree with come to their school. When Scalise was shot, Twitter exploded with liberals basically praising his shooting on political grounds, and we've no shortage of celebrities who've been just as gleefully shitty as Trump. These are examples of both actions and "just words" that are as egregious as those of the Right.
As always - just because Donald Trump is a piece of shit doesn't mean his opposition isn't. There's a weird need to slide the scale with this stuff. When Trump's douchebaggery rises, people see his opposition's levels of douchebaggery lower. It doesn't work that way.
All that said, holding up this bomber or even Trump as a representative of the Right is as ridiculous as holding up your basic-bitch Antifa member as a paragon of Leftist values. It's all partisan bullshit. We'll never reverse this and it's fucking scary.

List these Antifa riots you speak of and these countless Twitter posts endorsing Scalice's attempted murder. Your Two Gun Sam whataboutism is tedious and ridiculous.

Go fuck yourself.
Why would I want to take the time to do that when you’d simply ignore it all? Your feels mean far more to you than any actual rationale.

Is this the part where you, Chip and Exitflagger start following me around the board no matter what I say because I’m not blindly drinking liberal Kool-Aid?

[AnotherPerfectB*stard]

Seems like the Florida police have the #MAGAbomber.

This is going to be fun....

[Chip Z'Hoy]

Go fuck yourself.
Why would I want to take the time to do that when you’d simply ignore it all? Your feels mean far more to you than any actual rationale.

Is this the part where you, Chip and Exitflagger start following me around the board no matter what I say because I’m not blindly drinking liberal Kool-Aid?

What do I have to do with this?

But DitD is right. If you think the violent rhetoric of Antifa equals that of the white supremacist/Trumpist right, I don't know what to tell you. A couple whacked-out hippies busting windows and punching Nazis in the ear has nothing on the Trump cult. The Proud Boys alone make Antifa look like a book club but nobody seems to give a fuck about them.

Violence is only outrageous when it comes from the left. When it comes from the right, it's expected. Nobody saw this Cesar's guy van and was surprised at all.

[Chip Z'Hoy]

I'm just glad that after weeks of "Where's the proof! We need facts!" over Kavanaugh, Trump's army of knuckleheads are now back to promoting wingjob conspiracies about Democrats sending bombs to themselves.

We missed you, wackos!

[exitflagger]

Is this the part where you, Chip and Exitflagger start following me around the board no matter what I say because I’m not blindly drinking liberal Kool-Aid?

Lighten up, Francis.

[vlad]

I'm just glad that after weeks of "Where's the proof! We need facts!" over Kavanaugh, Trump's army of knuckleheads are now back to promoting wingjob conspiracies about Democrats sending bombs to themselves.

We missed you, wackos!

And what a wacko! New word, which I love, "vanifesto".

[Mojo]

But DitD is right. If you think the violent rhetoric of Antifa equals that of the white supremacist/Trumpist right, I don't know what to tell you. A couple whacked-out hippies busting windows and punching Nazis in the ear has nothing on the Trump cult. The Proud Boys alone make Antifa look like a book club but nobody seems to give a fuck about them.
Thats the thing when it’s the left. It’s just some hippies setting trash cans on fire. Almost quaint, really. Fuck that. Violence is violence. Trumptards don’t have a monopoly on it. Just because they’re not yelling racial epithets while turning those cop cars over doesn’t mean the magnitude is less.
Rhetoric is one thing. Words are words and you’ve got a right to them, shitty or otherwise. Sure, I’d take anti-fascism (although I don’t think most Antifa marchers have a clue what fascism is) over neo-Nazi rhetoric, but In my lifetime, I’ve seen as much actual violence from the left as the right. I can hate Trump and his swamp all I want and still acknowledge that. I’ll be voting Democrat in 2020, but I’m not deluding myself into thinking the Democrats aren’t scum too.