Joey Allen from Warrant talks about what solos he played

[Tommy2Tone84]

Slash is really good at what he does but let’s not try and act like he’s Neal Schon or some shit.
GNR were also one of the worst live bands of the hairband era. So much so, I’m convinced they were ghosted over
in the studio. Everyone points to Warrant’s 1987 Gazzarri’s gig for pudding proof at how lousy they were. GNR’s Live At The Ritz wasn’t any better. They sounded like absolute shit that night. I remember watching it live when it aired on MTV and commenting to my friend, who was a huge GNR fan at the time just how bad they sucked. I like alot of their songs and members but they were not that good.

I was at their classic Donington show and they sucked there too. Worst band of the day, huge disappointment as I love AFD, even Helloween and Megadeth were better. They just weren't a very good live band before the UYI tour. Also, unlike any Mötley, Kiss or VH, they never had any good outtakes, demos or rehearsal tapes. The only good GnR recordings prior to the UYI tour are literally the 3 studio albums.

No, I don't think they were ghosted over, but Clink did probably what Werman did with Mötley, or Mutt with Leppard. Pushed them to do a ton of takes then pieced together songs from the best parts. GnR may have the rock'n roll attitude, but AFD is as much a studio product as the obviously high tech Hysteria was the same year. Axl is a well known perfectionist so this way of working suited him. The others, probably not.

Helloween and Megadeth were always good live bands from what I remember. That’s awesome that you got to see that bill.
GNR are the one band that lifts right out of the lineup. It’s still one of the better Donington lineups without them.


It’s hard to say given all the “studio time is money” bs you hear when it comes to the topic og ghosting
Given how common the practice was at the time it wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were. It’s a little like the Alice Cooper Band vs KISS. Everyone knows Ace got ghosted over early on with Ezrin but what fans of this genre ignore is that Alice’s original band got ghosted over a lot too. Glenn Buxton especially but even Neal Smith.

I like GNR and acknowledge they were a phenomenon during 1988-92 but they were really fing awful.

[Tommy2Tone84]

I was trying to be nice. Slash is 1,000x the guitarist that Joey is. Joey specifically learned to play his parts in 15 songs that's he's played for 30 years. Yes, he can play THOSE parts. Anything else? I wouldn't bet your life on it.

Slash is really good at what he does but let’s not try and act like he’s Neal Schon or some shit.
GNR were also one of the worst live bands of the hairband era. So much so, I’m convinced they were ghosted over
in the studio. Everyone points to Warrant’s 1987 Gazzarri’s gig for pudding proof at how lousy they were. GNR’s Live At The Ritz wasn’t any better. They sounded like absolute shit that night. I remember watching it live when it aired on MTV and commenting to my friend, who was a huge GNR fan at the time just how bad they sucked. I like alot of their songs and members but they were not that good.

I’ll never understand the love for Slash and I’m an OG Acetard. People shit on Ace for playing the same licks 15 years earlier (and way less sloppy), but Slash gets a pass? the cool hat, I guess? Slash seems like an Ok guy and everything, but he is a local bar-level player and always was. I never heard him play a single thing that wasn’t completely typical of any ‘70s rock guitarist only he was usually slopping half the notes. Absolutely NOTHING special about his playing. Even his “epic” NR solo sounds like it is in the wrong key half the time from what I remember. At least Ace has super-memorable solos that always fit the song perfectly. Slash was Joe Perry Jr but way worse and in a time when rock guitar was reaching its pinnacle. I guess maybe people saw him as the “anti-shred” guy when they were sick of the fast technical shit? Don’t answer. I don’t really care why. Not looking to go to war with my Slashtards. Just my opinion.

As much as I love Slash, you’re not wrong. You’re not wrong at all. The Acetards are equally as guilty though.

I think there was a little bit of that. Not everyone could relate to or care about Steve Vai. GNR were a retro band who had an impressive book of influences. They were mainly a glam arena hard rock band but were also fans of punk and the up and coming grunge seen of the very late 80s and early 90s. They were everybody to all people. Gen Xers loved them, Boomers loved them. Glam fans, rock fans, pop fans, metal fans, punk fans, blues rock fans. We were all fans. I think that is why they were so big

[Bono Nettencourt]

Slash is really good at what he does but let’s not try and act like he’s Neal Schon or some shit.
GNR were also one of the worst live bands of the hairband era. So much so, I’m convinced they were ghosted over
in the studio. Everyone points to Warrant’s 1987 Gazzarri’s gig for pudding proof at how lousy they were. GNR’s Live At The Ritz wasn’t any better. They sounded like absolute shit that night. I remember watching it live when it aired on MTV and commenting to my friend, who was a huge GNR fan at the time just how bad they sucked. I like alot of their songs and members but they were not that good.

Also, unlike any Mötley, Kiss or VH, they never had any good outtakes, demos or rehearsal tapes. The only good GnR recordings prior to the UYI tour are literally the 3 studio albums.

I'm not debating if Slash is good or not, but GNR had a ton of outtakes and demos before Appetite came out. Even when they put out the Appetite Super Deluxe edition, they included 27 different songs they did from Sound City. And there's even more stuff than that. There's stuff from the Hell House, there's the Mystic Studio demos, there's the Pasha demos. There's lot of stuff. The thing I realized from those tapes is they basically wrote most of Use Your Illusions during the same time frame they wrote Appetite. Back Off Bitch, The Garden, Yesterdays, November Rain, Don't Cry, Bad Obsession, and Perfect Crime were just some of the songs written before Appetite. The band was most creative from like 85-86 and they've been living off that ever since.

Which is true for most rock bands, VH and CT among them. Once they ran out of their pre-signing material was when Cheap Trick started to suck.

[Tommy2Tone84]

Also, unlike any Mötley, Kiss or VH, they never had any good outtakes, demos or rehearsal tapes. The only good GnR recordings prior to the UYI tour are literally the 3 studio albums.

I'm not debating if Slash is good or not, but GNR had a ton of outtakes and demos before Appetite came out. Even when they put out the Appetite Super Deluxe edition, they included 27 different songs they did from Sound City. And there's even more stuff than that. There's stuff from the Hell House, there's the Mystic Studio demos, there's the Pasha demos. There's lot of stuff. The thing I realized from those tapes is they basically wrote most of Use Your Illusions during the same time frame they wrote Appetite. Back Off Bitch, The Garden, Yesterdays, November Rain, Don't Cry, Bad Obsession, and Perfect Crime were just some of the songs written before Appetite. The band was most creative from like 85-86 and they've been living off that ever since.

Which is true for most rock bands, VH and CT among them. Once they ran out of their pre-signing material was when Cheap Trick started to suck.

Did you seriously, with a straight face just compare VH with CT? CT didn’t even write one of their biggest hits.

I know you’re a Rothtard so I’m going to trigger you here. Van Halen has one of the most solid catalogs in rock history. From 1978-1998 they rarely, if ever released a shit record. Even that covers album that is Diver Down is solid gold. I want to hate it but I can’t, it’s too damn good,

CT were a B level band at best. I consider them more of a C band, I’m a fan but let’s not compare them with VH or GNR for that matter.

[Bono Nettencourt]

I was only citing them as other examples of bands that took awhile to get signed and had a lot of original songs written beforehand as a result, which they continued to release on other albums after their debut, as GnR did.

You need help.