No one has worse anxiety issue than I do, trust me. I've dealt with full-blown panic attacks, gad, hypochondria, depersonalization, ocd, severe depression, etc since my teens, so like 40 years now and its absolute hell on earth. Plus, I never drank, used drugs or even took meds for it until a couple years ago (the side-effects are horrible) or so there was zero escape. if he can't handle the stress of not being a headliner, he shouldn't be there in the first place. I toured, flew to Europe a few times, did a cruise, etc. It's not an excuse.Jason Jennifer Leigh wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:21 pm He has anxiety issues right?
That explains it.
MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Look, everyone's gonna hate this, but guess what?
After being on the road for 40 years, anxiety or not, its time to man up.
Does someone working at IBM or Microsoft tell their boss "I can only work when I want to work"
No they don't.
Since it is Sludge, here's the Kiss tie-in:
Granted these guys get roasted daily, but you NEVER see any of those guys bitch, quit , complain, or anything.
Kiss never played the bitch card. That's why they're Kiss.
That's why champions are champions and breakfast pool day time players, are well....breakfast pool day time players.
After being on the road for 40 years, anxiety or not, its time to man up.
Does someone working at IBM or Microsoft tell their boss "I can only work when I want to work"
No they don't.
Since it is Sludge, here's the Kiss tie-in:
Granted these guys get roasted daily, but you NEVER see any of those guys bitch, quit , complain, or anything.
Kiss never played the bitch card. That's why they're Kiss.
That's why champions are champions and breakfast pool day time players, are well....breakfast pool day time players.
Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Sorry, but no way was starchild playing some fucking guy's boat and no way would he play by the pool with the sun all in his eyes (that diva). And considering gene would wrestle a live shark for a nickel, they aren't really a great example. he only complains if they aren't making any $$$...nothing to do with "manning-up". Also, they've sucked for about 20+ years now.Ralph2 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:27 pm Look, everyone's gonna hate this, but guess what?
After being on the road for 40 years, anxiety or not, its time to man up.
Does someone working at IBM or Microsoft tell their boss "I can only work when I want to work"
No they don't.
Since it is Sludge, here's the Kiss tie-in:
Granted these guys get roasted daily, but you NEVER see any of those guys bitch, quit , complain, or anything.
Kiss never played the bitch card. That's why they're Kiss.
That's why champions are champions and breakfast pool day time players, are well....breakfast pool day time players.

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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Stephen Pearcy will turn 69 this summer... and guess what he did when he was booked to appear at the MORC pool-stage middle of day in the sun?
He strapped on his Leather and grabbed the F'ing mic!
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I called Bullsh!t back when Tracii pulled that stuff in Texas as well, playing sitting on a Toilet in the AC bathroom back=stage!
I like that band, I like Phil. I like Tracii, and I like Johnny too... but... this is weak as F#@k. Just my 2- cents.
If Tracii joined Poison, or Motley Crue... what would he have done during those scorching hot Stadium tour dates? Tell Bret or Nikki, "It's too hot, I don't want to play!"
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He strapped on his Leather and grabbed the F'ing mic!
> https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php? ... 0592100418
I called Bullsh!t back when Tracii pulled that stuff in Texas as well, playing sitting on a Toilet in the AC bathroom back=stage!
I like that band, I like Phil. I like Tracii, and I like Johnny too... but... this is weak as F#@k. Just my 2- cents.
If Tracii joined Poison, or Motley Crue... what would he have done during those scorching hot Stadium tour dates? Tell Bret or Nikki, "It's too hot, I don't want to play!"
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Is this true or just some speculation?
I mean Tracii has played all kinds of dives and pizza places like every other touring musician, so I assume playing in the sun does not matter.
All the biggest artists in the world play in the sun constantly while doing outdoor shows and festivals, so doubt this would be an issue to anyone really.
I mean Tracii has played all kinds of dives and pizza places like every other touring musician, so I assume playing in the sun does not matter.
All the biggest artists in the world play in the sun constantly while doing outdoor shows and festivals, so doubt this would be an issue to anyone really.
Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
You're all idiots if you think it's impossible he has legit problems with blistering sun.
Tracii's an even bigger idiot for not discussing it with promotors when they're getting booked.
Tracii's an even bigger idiot for not discussing it with promotors when they're getting booked.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Oh, for fuck's sake. He's not working an 8-hour shift laying pavement on a highway. Is he too cheap to buy a hat and some sunscreen?
There has to be more to this, doesn't there?
There has to be more to this, doesn't there?
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
This was Traciis message 3 years ago when he played in the bathroom. So I assume it's again heat-related problems.
So we have a unique situation. A lot of people know I have a panic disorder. While I have it 95 percent under control, Heat is the remaining trigger and I simply cannot play in the heat
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. I will do an Instagram live stream during the set if y’all really need to watch me play. I apologize for my crazy brain. 
So we have a unique situation. A lot of people know I have a panic disorder. While I have it 95 percent under control, Heat is the remaining trigger and I simply cannot play in the heat
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Wrong, nobody has worse anxiety/panic attacks than ME, mine has been so bad for so long it’s done serious heart damage and I’ll die atleast 30 years too soon. My point is NEVER EVER get married.
Some people with anxiety/panic disorders can’t handle the bright sun or heat, I am one of them … just because one person with anxiety can do it doesn’t mean we all can.
Traci is right, heat is a big trigger and people say “oh you just need to acclimate”, it does not work that way.
Some people with anxiety/panic disorders can’t handle the bright sun or heat, I am one of them … just because one person with anxiety can do it doesn’t mean we all can.
Traci is right, heat is a big trigger and people say “oh you just need to acclimate”, it does not work that way.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
You wouldn't take a job working in the bright sun and heat, would you? They didn't spring that schedule on him last minute.Jason Jennifer Leigh wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 5:22 am Wrong, nobody has worse anxiety/panic attacks than ME, mine has been so bad for so long it’s done serious heart damage and I’ll die atleast 30 years too soon. My point is NEVER EVER get married.
Some people with anxiety/panic disorders can’t handle the bright sun or heat, I am one of them … just because one person with anxiety can do it doesn’t mean we all can.
Traci is right, heat is a big trigger and people say “oh you just need to acclimate”, it does not work that way.


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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Maybe Traci fucked up by forgetting about daylight savings and thought 5pm was still gonna be dusky.Danzig in the Dark wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:20 amYou wouldn't take a job working in the bright sun and heat, would you? They didn't spring that schedule on him last minute.Jason Jennifer Leigh wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 5:22 am Wrong, nobody has worse anxiety/panic attacks than ME, mine has been so bad for so long it’s done serious heart damage and I’ll die atleast 30 years too soon. My point is NEVER EVER get married.
Some people with anxiety/panic disorders can’t handle the bright sun or heat, I am one of them … just because one person with anxiety can do it doesn’t mean we all can.
Traci is right, heat is a big trigger and people say “oh you just need to acclimate”, it does not work that way.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
The MORC seems to have water slide
Does Mr Guns enjoy this?
I’m guessing Ace Von Johnson VIP pass gets AVJ front of line all day
Does Mr Guns enjoy this?
I’m guessing Ace Von Johnson VIP pass gets AVJ front of line all day
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
""""""""""""""""""Is this true or just some speculation?""""""""""""""""""""endstand wrote: ↑Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:48 pm Is this true or just some speculation?
I mean Tracii has played all kinds of dives and pizza places like every other touring musician, so I assume playing in the sun does not matter.
All the biggest artists in the world play in the sun constantly while doing outdoor shows and festivals, so doubt this would be an issue to anyone really.
MORC scheduled released about a week ago... note Day 3, it was scheduled for LA Guns to play the Pool Stage at 5:pm.
> https://metalsludge.tv/ready-set-sail-m ... -festival/
They did not... and NERD HALEN filled the slot... and LA Guns played a much smaller room (venue) later that night.
Also... several people reported going to the Pool Stage that day, and were miffed, and posting "What happened to LA Guns?"
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1560929 ... 321778838/
There is No speculation... it's a fact... Tracii did not want to play in the sun.
Word is... it was brutally hot out, and others said Tyketto was struggling in the heat and also that Marc Ferrari of Cold Sweat had a bit of a struggle in the heat as well.
Based on what happened with Guns in Texas, during the Toilet Gig... it is not far-fetched that they cancelled that Pool Stage show in exchange for an inside venue.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Ever played on stage??? It's fucking HOT most of the time and not just in the sun. That's the main reason I always hated playing live (see my personal commets about anxiety/panic/etc above).Danzig in the Dark wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:20 amYou wouldn't take a job working in the bright sun and heat, would you? They didn't spring that schedule on him last minute.Jason Jennifer Leigh wrote: ↑Fri Mar 14, 2025 5:22 am Wrong, nobody has worse anxiety/panic attacks than ME, mine has been so bad for so long it’s done serious heart damage and I’ll die atleast 30 years too soon. My point is NEVER EVER get married.
Some people with anxiety/panic disorders can’t handle the bright sun or heat, I am one of them … just because one person with anxiety can do it doesn’t mean we all can.
Traci is right, heat is a big trigger and people say “oh you just need to acclimate”, it does not work that way.
Way back in 1993 we played the VP Fair in STL and it was just as the sun was starting to go down and it was coming in straight under the awning at the stage full-blown. It was July 4th weekend, hot and humid as fuck and I truly thought I might die that day, haha. Then again, I was young and jumping and running around like an idiot screaming my ass off. I learned my lesson. You have to adapt and pace yourself if it is an unusual situation. These days everyone probably has a personal fan on their mic stand hooked up to a Bluetooth app that monitors your body temp. pussies.
Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
I did two outdoor shows this last summer that were over 100 degrees in freedom units. It sucked. Definitely had moments in both where I felt like I could have passed out and had to slow down and drink a bunch of water.
I survived, but I can see why somebody with the power to NOT do that would pull the plug.
I survived, but I can see why somebody with the power to NOT do that would pull the plug.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
The only thing worse than suffering through an LA Guns set would be doing so in the blazing sun.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
The first 2 tracks from the new cd sound pathetic. Phil must be making some nice coin. Who manages the LA Guns in 2025 as they obviously dont handle or care about Tracii’s psycho condition.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Was on the cruise
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
This amateur hour bullshit would absolutely not have been tolerated under the Crypt Keepers watch.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
no clue how these cruise ship shows work, but wouldn't the band running order have been set prior to the event?
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
What is going on with these bands? How they just decide thatgreengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:48 pm Was on the cruise
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
they don’t perform? I mean artists normally just can’t cancel without a force majeure. They have signed contracts for x amount of shows.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
I assume that LA Guns was on the big outdoor stage at 5pm and Nerd Halen was on a tiny indoor stage at like 9pm. So they swapped. Nerd got to play to a bigger crowd on a bigger stage, and Tracii got to not get the Saturday Afternoon Scaries.endstand wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:17 pmWhat is going on with these bands? How they just decide thatgreengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:48 pm Was on the cruise
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
they don’t perform? I mean artists normally just can’t cancel without a force majeure. They have signed contracts for x amount of shows.
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"""""""""""""Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife.""""""""""""""greengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:48 pm Was on the cruise
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
This if true, is also an absolute pathetic excuse!
So the separation from the wife did not affect the other 30+ shows on that tour?
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https://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the-edd ... cast-51867MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 pm"""""""""""""Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife.""""""""""""""greengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:48 pm Was on the cruise
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
This if true, is also an absolute pathetic excuse!
So the separation from the wife did not affect the other 30+ shows on that tour?
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
MORC promoter also works with everyone to make it workendstand wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 12:17 pmWhat is going on with these bands? How they just decide thatgreengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:48 pm Was on the cruise
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
they don’t perform? I mean artists normally just can’t cancel without a force majeure. They have signed contracts for x amount of shows.
Lesser known Euro band Eclipse was doing a theatre acoustic show on last day @ noonish but hated the sound so they swapped out to Atrium that evening
Been swaps for sickness last second as well as weather
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It's understood, you are an L.A. Guns fan and sympathizer.greengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:54 pmhttps://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the-edd ... cast-51867MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 pm"""""""""""""Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife.""""""""""""""greengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:48 pm Was on the cruise
Traci did not cancel their show but it got rescheduled for inside later on. They played their 2 shows
During the replacement show of Nerd Halen, Traci was walking thru the crowd with his gal & watched the show.
Thought there was an interview with Phil Lewis who said the bathroom heat show was made up as Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife. It was a Trunk interview & Im sure I heard it.
Marc Ferrari had to have 2 IVs after their first pool show (there were 2 pool stages) & refused to play the 2nd one. His band was irate as he was up & walking the ship, just didnt want to play. (they did play a 2nd show as they were scheduled for 3)
It was warm for sure (it is the Carribean) but the actual temps were in the lower 70s each day. Didnt get to the 80s till the last day.
This if true, is also an absolute pathetic excuse!
So the separation from the wife did not affect the other 30+ shows on that tour?
$tEvil
40 minute mark of Phil Lewis interview April 27
Also talks of almost breaking up in late 23
All good champ...
$tEvil
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
Prolly cuz it makes his wig sweat.
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Re: MORC ... "L.A Guns canceled thier 5 o'clock show cause Tracii Guns doesn't like playing in the sun"
No sir, just crediting my sourceMetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 3:16 pmIt's understood, you are an L.A. Guns fan and sympathizer.greengoblinrulz wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:54 pmhttps://www.audacy.com/podcasts/the-edd ... cast-51867MetalSludgeCEO wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 2:00 pm
"""""""""""""Traci didnt wanna go onstage due to his anxiety over just separating from his wife.""""""""""""""
This if true, is also an absolute pathetic excuse!
So the separation from the wife did not affect the other 30+ shows on that tour?
$tEvil
40 minute mark of Phil Lewis interview April 27
Also talks of almost breaking up in late 23
All good champ...
$tEvil
I also think its pathetic