The second the Ed and Sam love-fest ended

[aznsquirt]

Yikes.

[cowpins]

What was Sammy's response to Eddie that got the "woah"?

[Indy_Rob]

[Tommy2Tone84]

It’s interesting that Eddie was sticking up for Howard. I remember that weird interview the band did years later in 1998 when Eddie came wandering into Howard’s studio looking and acting like a lost homeless person. He didn’t seem too enamored with Howard that day and Howard really busted his balls on the air.

[Danzig in the Dark]

Who was in charge of Sammy's wardrobe?

[HueyRamone]

It’s interesting that Eddie was sticking up for Howard. I remember that weird interview the band did years later in 1998 when Eddie came wandering into Howard’s studio looking and acting like a lost homeless person. He didn’t seem too enamored with Howard that day and Howard really busted his balls on the air.

There was a funny one where Ed was talking about someone who had fucked him over, and Howard said "Who are you talking about" and Ed was "You know, the lil red rocker! The little red worm."

[inextrem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDqO4ZRlAho

Better video

[Bono Nettencourt]

What was Wolf "in"? Their endless studio "vault" drunkfests with Uncle Al that went absolutely nowhere?

[whammybar]

That Sammy remark might have been about Ed not liking the fact that Sammy and Mike had become good friends and were leaving him out of things.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Like what? Chickenbutt? That was a great group.

[Bono Nettencourt]

And Al's old wife and Eddie's new wife wanted money, but I agree, Wolfdown probably saw it as his ticket to the big time. He supposedly curated the setlists etc. Those 2 old drunks couldn't lead a trip to the liquor store.

[HottKarl777]

That Sammy remark might have been about Ed not liking the fact that Sammy and Mike had become good friends and were leaving him out of things.

Sammy has said he wasn’t particularly good friends with Mike until they did that awful 2004 tour and the Ed kicked Mike out totally. They bonded over that.

False. They bonded first tour. Ed was always jealous of their friendship.

[Bono Nettencourt]

They started to bro down after VH III, and Sauce backed up Hagar a few times on the Sam and Dave tour. That's what sparked MethEd to try and cut him out of the 04 reunion, but Spazzy said he stays or I go.

[aznsquirt]

That Sammy remark might have been about Ed not liking the fact that Sammy and Mike had become good friends and were leaving him out of things.

Are you talking about when Sammy said "You wanna talk about someone else?" That was Sammy's "Bring it" moment and I have no idea what/who he's referencing.

[Tommy2Tone84]

It’s interesting that Eddie was sticking up for Howard. I remember that weird interview the band did years later in 1998 when Eddie came wandering into Howard’s studio looking and acting like a lost homeless person. He didn’t seem too enamored with Howard that day and Howard really busted his balls on the air.

There was a funny one where Ed was talking about someone who had fucked him over, and Howard said "Who are you talking about" and Ed was "You know, the lil red rocker! The little red worm."

Yes, I remember that. Howard asked what Lead Singer’s Disease was. Eddie seemed to think it was all Dave and Sammy and that he was immune from it but he wasn’t. He always treated Mike horribly between asking Billy Sheehan to join early on and later making him sign away his ownership rights.

Eddie also gets in Howard’s face and tells him not to talk shit about him, Valerie or Wolfgang. Howard at some point replies “I think I might have to side with the singers.”

Eddie was jealous of Sam since Sam had other ventures outside of music. Sammy had a brand before it was a thing. Whether that was his Red Rocker mountain bikes in the late 80s or his tequila a decade later. Eddie finally got his EVH brand going but he could’ve done that a lot sooner had he not been such a miserable drunk.

[Tommy2Tone84]

That Sammy remark might have been about Ed not liking the fact that Sammy and Mike had become good friends and were leaving him out of things.

Sammy has said he wasn’t particularly good friends with Mike until they did that awful 2004 tour and the Ed kicked Mike out totally. They bonded over that.

False. They bonded first tour. Ed was always jealous of their friendship.

Totally false. Sam and Mike even had a side project that was just for fun back in the early 90s. I think Sammy’s old friend and bandmate Dave Lauser played drums.

Sam has also said that while he and Mike were estranged during the Gary Cherone years, Sam said he understood. He also has said he was glad they reconnected in the early 00s.

[Tommy2Tone84]

The love affair was Sam and Ed. Take everything Sam has said more recently with a grain of salt because he’s full of shit. His stories change like the weather.

Reminds me of a few years ago when Sam went on an angry rant because Ed said in an interview he showed Mike what to play. Sam called him out and said that was wrong and called him a mother fucker. Only thing is, a few years previously Sam wrote in his own fucking book that Ed mostly told Mike what to play.

Eddie was completely full of shit too and very egotistical under his humble public face and persona.

Telling Mike and showing Mike are two totally different things. Ed tried to claim he had to show Mike what to play with a
video camera. Total bs. If something like that did happen it was nothing but an asshole mind game on Eddie’s part.

Sometimes VH fans are dumber than KISS fans.

[HottKarl777]

I dunno man, some of the bass stuff on Pleasure Dome is pretty complicated. Ed played it on the record. Mike said at the time that song had some real hard licks on it and after he played them live he still wondered if he played them right.

Recording a video of something is such a bizarre thing to totally invent, there must be some truth there somewhere.

Maybe he did it for some of the VH3 stuff. Without You has got tapping stuff on the bass.

Yeah I actually believed the video story as weird as it sounds. I don't think Mike was by any means incapable of learning the parts but he was never in the same musical universe as Ed. He wasn't a writer and didn't ever inspire or push Ed in any way. I've had bandmates like that. Sadly it's the nice guys that have the least artistic drive. They are satisfied with boring shit and don't go to the place that creates great art.


Mike's background vocals and stage presence were so strong that he earned his 25% anyway in my book. I saw them 4 times with Hagar and 3 times with the Roth reunion but I never got to see the 4 all together at once. Mike's absence was palpable.

[JamesHetfieldsAcneScars]

Mike's background vocals and stage presence were so strong that he earned his 25% anyway in my book. I saw them 4 times with Hagar and 3 times with the Roth reunion but I never got to see the 4 all together at once. Mike's absence was palpable.

Stage presence? Seriously? Dude has the stage presence of a tree stump. He was just furniture on the stage. Not exactly fun to watch.

[WentEast]

Mike's background vocals and stage presence were so strong that he earned his 25% anyway in my book. I saw them 4 times with Hagar and 3 times with the Roth reunion but I never got to see the 4 all together at once. Mike's absence was palpable.

Stage presence? Seriously? Dude has the stage presence of a tree stump. He was just furniture on the stage. Not exactly fun to watch.

Wrong

Start about 3:22 in. See a true MVP in action.
https://youtu.be/gRBXwQO7-xs?si=dXe7MOH6oLlRGBl2

[Bono Nettencourt]

Yeah you can say a lotta things about Saucey, but he was definitely part of the show, not a lump like Jones or Entwistle.

[Ryan81]

Mike was entertaining on Live...Without A Net. Very Much so in fact. Not as much on Live: Right Here, Right Now.

Funnily enough I was just listening to Pleasure Dome the other night and did notice a couple of bass parts (particularly under the solo) that sounded pretty complex and I immediately thought I wonder if that was Eddie. That is a pretty great performance by the whole band. Alex is on fire! Sammy even has a noteworthy scream before the solo. Eddie kicks ass, but I don't like that neck pickup sound that he uses for some of it. It's definitely one of the strongest Van Hagar songs.

[aznsquirt]

Telling Mike and showing Mike are two totally different things.

Right. It was obvious to me the first time that whole controversy broke that it was nothing more than Eddie suggesting ideas and then 20 years later when he's in drunken ego mode it becomes "I HAD TO SHOW HIM WHERE TO PUT HIS FINGERS CUZ HE CANT PLAY BASS", and then everyone argues over it.

[FreddyFender]

What we're talking about is "spin": taking something that did happen, but changing the narrative around it to suit your purposes.

Mikey can play his ass off. He doesn't need anyone to show him how to play.

But if Ed insisted on writing the bass line, and a complicated one at that, it's completely reasonable for Mike to say "Send me a video of you playing it. If you just show it to me in rehearsal I'll probably forget it, and instead of rewinding the song over and over trying to work out what you're doing, I'm just gonna come up with my own part."

Years later when Ed has a vendetta against Mikey, that becomes "I had to shoot VHS tapes of me playing bass before we went on tour because Mikey didn't know how to play."

[Bono Nettencourt]

I'd say So This Is Love? but it's been rumored that Eddie played bass on FW.

[DangerZone]

Mikey can play his ass off.

Name one iconic bass part he’s done.

Let’s take Runnin With The Devil as read.

What else.

Particularly interested in hearing some from the Chickenfoot albums, where he was supposedly finally able to break free and play what he wanted without Ed telling him what to play (as per Sammy Hagar).

Give me a top ten.

The bass on ‘unchained’ kicks ass.
Who cares how the bass sounds on chickennuts

[DangerZone]

all the Mike talk is a moot point because the guy was there in the trenches from the beginning and brought a fun vibe without being Hagar cheesy.
His Jack Daniels bass was cool.
Ed got greedy and sold him out so he could fall down the meth pit and keep his son supplied with milk duds.
Sad tale

[FreddyFender]

Mikey can play his ass off.

Name one iconic bass part he’s done.

Let’s take Runnin With The Devil as read.

What else.

Particularly interested in hearing some from the Chickenfoot albums, where he was supposedly finally able to break free and play what he wanted without Ed telling him what to play (as per Sammy Hagar).

Give me a top ten.

"Iconic bass part?" Guitar player ass response.

Being a great rock bassist doesn't mean being a composer. Bass is a rhythm instrument - HOW you lay down the groove is EVERYTHING.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwZUrVyTPJ8

If you can't hear/see what Mikey's doing and come to the conclusion this guy is a monster player.... don't worry about the bass, it's not your area of expertise.

Chris Slade has endless chops compared to Phil Rudd, but isn't capable of making AC/DC sound as good as Phil Rudd is. It isn't something esoteric - he just has a better groove/pocket. Same goes for Wolf doing bass tapping bullshit and guitar licks on bass in VH vs Mikey actually playing rock and roll bass.

[DangerZone]

Nah that’s a load of shit.

I also played bass in bands for a decade, so it’s not “typical guitar player response” either.

Would you say the same about Ian Hill in Judas Priest? He’s doing the role of the bass? No, fuck that, he’s a bloody boring pedestrian bass player.

And so is Mike Anthony.

You’re confusing your feelings for him as a nice guy, great stagecraft, great backing vocals, great “everyman” persona. Everyone loves Mike because subconsciously they go wow, that could be me up there! He’s that sort of guy.

He’s a VERY average bass player.

I don’t even know how it’s possible to not have a bunch of iconic bass parts over a fifty year recording career, but he’s managed to do it.

I do agree with you about Wolfcunt totally overplaying, you’re right about that. That fucked a little too much with the VH sound. Especially with that horrible harsh bass tone he had all over ADKOT. That being said, he did do some fucking cool licks on ADKOT, he just slightly veered into overplaying territory by doing it constantly.

So we’re going from one extreme to the other bass wise in VH.

yes, Ian Hill is bad ass

[tym]

I don't get why people worry about the talent of any member of a Band. There are some really shitty players out there that are just the right fit for the band. Meg White is the best example. Oh she was for sure not a great or even a good drummer. Yet she was a Member of the White Stripes and her drumming fit.

Eddie was just a miserable prick. Every one was the problem. He wasn't. It pissed him off that Mike and Hagar went off and did there own thing, and didn't need Eddie. I wonder how true it was That the Van Halen Brothers pulled out of there investment of wabo before it hit big. If they had just stuck it out they would of made a ton of money.

In the end people just dont get that Hagar used music to invest in other things. Over time, Hagar didn't need any more money, and Music was just fun. I think Mikey did the same thing. Its no shock that Eddie, and Hagar both told some major lies. Maybe they are both upset that the music industry turned to shit, and not allot of money to be made. They were just both a couple of bitter married couple that hated each other after the divorce.