Matt Sorum’s book - WTF?

[DangerZone]

I remember reading in some magazine Slash & Duff being dissatisfied with Adler. They played with Kenny Arnoff and realized what it felt like to be with a “good” drummer.

Funny how even the top of the heap always want to change things.
GNR were the biggest band around and had the sales to
Prove it.
Maybe they didn’t think they were tight enough live. But their type of music is always gonna be looser than Metallica, etc.
People just need to stay in their lane.
Or shut up & sing

[Love_Industry]

Who says they were looking for someone that played like Adler?

Axl had a wildly different vision for the band by the time UYI came around. He was listening to Nine Inch Nails and Ministry and shit.

The reason Slash's Snakepit came to be was that Axl basically didn't want to do anything that sounded like AfD/Lies, but that's pretty much all that Slash writes.

Obviously, someone in the band wasn't (Axl) looking to get an Adler alike, but the general consensus of the fan base would rather someone who played similar to the guy who was a big part of the sound of their 30 million selling debut rather than some with the exact opposite style, feel, and sound.

Snorum sounds like a robotic drum machine which is the complete opposite of Adler.

Adler may have sounded good on Appetite for Studio Tricks but neither him nor the band overall sounded great live in 87-88. I remember Slash saying in an interview (Metal Hammer?) that it was much easier playing live with Fred Coury because he knows what Coury is going to play while Adler speeds up and slows down...

[PhrozenInferno]

Who says they were looking for someone that played like Adler?

Axl had a wildly different vision for the band by the time UYI came around. He was listening to Nine Inch Nails and Ministry and shit.

The reason Slash's Snakepit came to be was that Axl basically didn't want to do anything that sounded like AfD/Lies, but that's pretty much all that Slash writes.

Obviously, someone in the band wasn't (Axl) looking to get an Adler alike, but the general consensus of the fan base would rather someone who played similar to the guy who was a big part of the sound of their 30 million selling debut rather than some with the exact opposite style, feel, and sound.

Snorum sounds like a robotic drum machine which is the complete opposite of Adler.

Adler may have sounded good on Appetite for Studio Tricks but neither him nor the band overall sounded great live in 87-88. I remember Slash saying in an interview (Metal Hammer?) that it was much easier playing live with Fred Coury because he knows what Coury is going to play while Adler speeds up and slows down...

Slash WISHES he was in Cinderella

[NeonKnite]

Snorum sounds like a robotic drum machine which is the complete opposite of Adler.

Is he related to Eric Singer by chance?

[Don't Damn Me]

What I got out of it is that the guy is completely self-absorbed. I was surprised that he had the power to guilt Duff into avoiding him. He was like, "Duff don't fuck me on this reunion!" But the decision wasn't Duffs and he didn't want to deal with Matt's shit. Matt acts all butt hurt and betrayed but why the hell does he think that anyone from Guns n' roses is obligated to him. Getting that gig gave him a career, but he was never entitled to it.
And the band made a mistake very early on by telling Matt he would be an equal partner which required the intervention of Doug Goldstein. So that's another thing Matt is better about

And personally I don't believe Elizabeth Taylor grabbed Matt's dick. And if in fact it never happened then that dude is straight up piece of s*** a******

[Love_Industry]

What I got out of it is that the guy is completely self-absorbed. I was surprised that he had the power to guilt Duff into avoiding him.

I'm starting to wonder if classic (AFD/Illusions era) GnR was an all-asshole band like Kiss, Journey or Mötley.

Slash and Duff are pretty good at making themselves look like the good guys (and victims of Axl's power games) but then there are stories like Sorum's about them.

Izzy could be the exception. Or is he? He stayed pretty quiet but bailed when the band needed him and wasn't easy to work with it seems. I don't count Gilby even if he joined during the Illusions tour.

[Kerry67]

Never liked him. Boring, vanilla drummer who when he joined Gn'R, looked as ridiculous as he sounded. I LOVED the 1st Snakepit album and thought Eric Dover sounded great. Loved his gritty vocals. The fact that Sorum thought he was responsible for anything with Guns is just ridiculous. Scab drummer at best. Glad he was not included in the re-union.

[Bono Nettencourt]

What I got out of it is that the guy is completely self-absorbed. I was surprised that he had the power to guilt Duff into avoiding him.

I'm starting to wonder if classic (AFD/Illusions era) GnR was an all-asshole band like Kiss, Journey or Mötley.

Slash and Duff are pretty good at making themselves look like the good guys (and victims of Axl's power games) but then there are stories like Sorum's about them.

Izzy could be the exception. Or is he? He stayed pretty quiet but bailed when the band needed him and wasn't easy to work with it seems. I don't count Gilby even if he joined during the Illusions tour.

Well Axl was the Gene control freak.

Slash/Duff were like Ace/Peter - drunk/high all the time.

Izzy was like Mick Mars - the quiet, enigmatic dude. He "wasn't easy to work with" because no one could work with Waxl.

[Love_Industry]

What I got out of it is that the guy is completely self-absorbed. I was surprised that he had the power to guilt Duff into avoiding him.

I'm starting to wonder if classic (AFD/Illusions era) GnR was an all-asshole band like Kiss, Journey or Mötley.

Slash and Duff are pretty good at making themselves look like the good guys (and victims of Axl's power games) but then there are stories like Sorum's about them.

Izzy could be the exception. Or is he? He stayed pretty quiet but bailed when the band needed him and wasn't easy to work with it seems. I don't count Gilby even if he joined during the Illusions tour.

Well Axl was the Gene control freak.

Slash/Duff were like Ace/Peter - drunk/high all the time.

If you believe Sorum, Slash drunk and high was mostly an act by the time he joined. I believe Slash was like Ace during AFD but by Illusions he had transformed into Nikki Sixx, a shrewd career minded guy with a junkie rock star persona. Look at how he leveraged his GnR persona and success to play on records by everyone from Michael Jackson and Rod Stewart to Dylan and Carole King.

[mullet_head]

I'm starting to wonder if classic (AFD/Illusions era) GnR was an all-asshole band like Kiss, Journey or Mötley.

Slash and Duff are pretty good at making themselves look like the good guys (and victims of Axl's power games) but then there are stories like Sorum's about them.

Izzy could be the exception. Or is he? He stayed pretty quiet but bailed when the band needed him and wasn't easy to work with it seems. I don't count Gilby even if he joined during the Illusions tour.

Well Axl was the Gene control freak.

Slash/Duff were like Ace/Peter - drunk/high all the time.

If you believe Sorum, Slash drunk and high was mostly an act by the time he joined. I believe Slash was like Ace during AFD but by Illusions he had transformed into Nikki Sixx, a shrewd career minded guy with a junkie rock star persona. Look at how he leveraged his GnR persona and success to play on records by everyone from Michael Jackson and Rod Stewart to Dylan and Carole King.

One thing that made me question Slash's heroin addiction was when he said in his book that he was so much into it that if he had 1 gram of coke and 1 gram of H he would totally go through the H before he's even halfway through the coke (or something like that, I'm going by memory here) which is total bullshit, no matter how much you like horse.

Heroin was kind of glamorous in the early 90s, right? Heroin chic, Pulp Fiction, Seattle bands, William Burroughs... Perhaps Slash wanted some of that "mistique". Not to say he didn't dabble in it, but it always seemed to me like he was making it a bigger deal than it was. Like Itwalksamongo and his one day long binge that sent him to the Betty Ford Clinic.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Slash didn't boot H til the 90s because of blowbrains?

[Son_of_Sam_I_Am]

The preface of that book is a laughable lie. Not sure I can keep going after reading that horseshit.

[Mister Freeze]

And personally I don't believe Elizabeth Taylor grabbed Matt's dick. And if in fact it never happened then that dude is straight up piece of s*** a******

All she did was ask him what hotel he was staying at, which is apparently an invitation to fuck according to Sorum. It was Stephanie Seymour who (allegedly) grabbed his dick while Axl was signing autographs.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Now that, I can believe.

[Fletch]

If anyone has checked out former Black Crowes drummer Steve Gorman’s bio, in the very early phases he was jamming with Slash and Duff on the earlier version of what became Velvet Revolver. He somehow got in contact with/after he was looking at buying a home out in California, which happened to belong to Gilby Clark. I think that was the connection.

[Love_Industry]

All she did was ask him what hotel he was staying at, which is apparently an invitation to fuck according to Sorum.

If he made a reservation between the hours of 10 and 2 and gave her his number, she would wanna sit in his driver's seat and that would be alright with him.
It was for Gene Simmons.

[TheCULTofMANSON]

I read The Cult stuff, not much I already didn't know.

Looked to see if he mentioned why he left/got the boot from Camp Freddy but didn't see anything relevant.

What are some of the notable comments he made about The Cult?

[TheCULTofMANSON]

Who says they were looking for someone that played like Adler?

Axl had a wildly different vision for the band by the time UYI came around. He was listening to Nine Inch Nails and Ministry and shit.

The reason Slash's Snakepit came to be was that Axl basically didn't want to do anything that sounded like AfD/Lies, but that's pretty much all that Slash writes.

Obviously, someone in the band wasn't (Axl) looking to get an Adler alike, but the general consensus of the fan base would rather someone who played similar to the guy who was a big part of the sound of their 30 million selling debut rather than some with the exact opposite style, feel, and sound.

Snorum sounds like a robotic drum machine which is the complete opposite of Adler.

Adler may have sounded good on Appetite for Studio Tricks but neither him nor the band overall sounded great live in 87-88. I remember Slash saying in an interview (Metal Hammer?) that it was much easier playing live with Fred Coury because he knows what Coury is going to play while Adler speeds up and slows down...

Fred Coury is underrated, it’s a shame he hasn’t ever joined another band

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

I have always wondered was there another side to the Axl/Slash fallout other than the usual Axl prima donna stuff

The initial falling out was pretty simple, although poorly explained by the media at the time.

Axl & Izzy had always been the band's primary songwriters. Slash & Duff's contributions were certainly important and a critical part of the magic, but the successful formula was Axl & Izzy writing the initial song ideas and then Slash & Duff taking things from there.

When it came time to write an album without Izzy, Axl wanted Paul Huge to fill the void. Like Izzy, he was a childhood friend from Indiana Axl was comfortable sitting with to write songs from scratch. And while relatively unknown to the public, Huge had written some of GNR's previously released material.

In a vacuum, Axl's request was reasonable. Axl was the one that had the pressure on him to come up with song ideas and this is who he wanted to write with to come up with the initial ideas, with Slash & Duff then taking things to the next level like they always had.

Big problem though. In Slash's mind, with Izzy gone, it was now Slash's turn to become the band's primary songwriter. How dare some random newbie be the one writing the next album. It should be Slash.

Everything falls apart from there.

[Shredderpete]

My favourite encounter with him was at the Fender NAMM party one year he was standing all alone right by a Gretsch Drums poster of himself. My first thought was ‘Oops is someone taking a photo of him by his poster, am I in the way?’ but nah he was just standing there waiting for anyone to recognise him. (Good luck with that, everyone was always on EVH lookout).

[Indy_Rob]

All she did was ask him what hotel he was staying at, which is apparently an invitation to fuck according to Sorum.

If he made a reservation between the hours of 10 and 2 and gave her his number, she would wanna sit in his driver's seat and that would be alright with him.
It was for Gene Simmons.

Whoa, what just happened here?

[HueyRamone]

I have always wondered was there another side to the Axl/Slash fallout other than the usual Axl prima donna stuff

The initial falling out was pretty simple, although poorly explained by the media at the time.

Axl & Izzy had always been the band's primary songwriters. Slash & Duff's contributions were certainly important and a critical part of the magic, but the successful formula was Axl & Izzy writing the initial song ideas and then Slash & Duff taking things from there.

When it came time to write an album without Izzy, Axl wanted Paul Huge to fill the void. Like Izzy, he was a childhood friend from Indiana Axl was comfortable sitting with to write songs from scratch. And while relatively unknown to the public, Huge had written some of GNR's previously released material.

In a vacuum, Axl's request was reasonable. Axl was the one that had the pressure on him to come up with song ideas and this is who he wanted to write with to come up with the initial ideas, with Slash & Duff then taking things to the next level like they always had.

Big problem though. In Slash's mind, with Izzy gone, it was now Slash's turn to become the band's primary songwriter. How dare some random newbie be the one writing the next album. It should be Slash.

Everything falls apart from there.

There's something really off about some rando who's never done anything joining a band with the biggest superstars in rock and having the balls to call himself "Huge".

[Bono Nettencourt]

Go Huge or go home.

[Wednesday 13 Fan]

I have always wondered was there another side to the Axl/Slash fallout other than the usual Axl prima donna stuff

The initial falling out was pretty simple, although poorly explained by the media at the time.

Axl & Izzy had always been the band's primary songwriters. Slash & Duff's contributions were certainly important and a critical part of the magic, but the successful formula was Axl & Izzy writing the initial song ideas and then Slash & Duff taking things from there.

When it came time to write an album without Izzy, Axl wanted Paul Huge to fill the void. Like Izzy, he was a childhood friend from Indiana Axl was comfortable sitting with to write songs from scratch. And while relatively unknown to the public, Huge had written some of GNR's previously released material.

In a vacuum, Axl's request was reasonable. Axl was the one that had the pressure on him to come up with song ideas and this is who he wanted to write with to come up with the initial ideas, with Slash & Duff then taking things to the next level like they always had.

Big problem though. In Slash's mind, with Izzy gone, it was now Slash's turn to become the band's primary songwriter. How dare some random newbie be the one writing the next album. It should be Slash.

Everything falls apart from there.

There's something really off about some rando who's never done anything joining a band with the biggest superstars in rock and having the balls to call himself "Huge".

The name is almost certainly pronounced "Yuge".

[Love_Industry]

There's something really off about some rando who's never done anything joining a band with the biggest superstars in rock and having the balls to call himself "Huge".

The name is almost certainly pronounced "Yuge".

It's even worse, he invented his own pronunciation:

Paul Edward Huge (pronounced hugh-gee)

[Ozzy Stradlin]

There's something really off about some rando who's never done anything joining a band with the biggest superstars in rock and having the balls to call himself "Huge".

The name is almost certainly pronounced "Yuge".

It's even worse, he invented his own pronunciation:

Paul Edward Huge (pronounced hugh-gee)

It would have been a lot funnier (and more appropriate) if he’d called himself Paul Small.

[PhrozenInferno]

Or Paul Tobias?

I take the point above about the falling out but also in Sorum’s book he explicitly recounts confirming with Axl that Paul would be replacing Izzy, but Axl corrected him and said that it was to replace Slash.

[Love_Industry]

The name is almost certainly pronounced "Yuge".

It's even worse, he invented his own pronunciation:

Paul Edward Huge (pronounced hugh-gee)

It would have been a lot funnier (and more appropriate) if he’d called himself Paul Small.

As in Derek's brother? The whole story was Spinal Tapish.

[eddie lee roth]

It's even worse, he invented his own pronunciation:

Paul Edward Huge (pronounced hugh-gee)

It would have been a lot funnier (and more appropriate) if he’d called himself Paul Small.

As in Derek's brother? The whole story was Spinal Tapish.

In a band with an Axl, Dizzy, Izzy, Duff and a Slash he could of thought about a different name.