Killeverything's (New)NeverEndingBaseballThread

[killeverything]

Oh, and who didn't think this guy was going to do something like this eventually?

Canseco plans to sue MLB and union over steroids

NEW YORK (AP)—Jose Canseco plans to file a class-action lawsuit against Major League Baseball and the players’ association, saying he’s been ostracized for going public with tales of steroids use in the sport.

Canseco said Wednesday that he has discussed the suit with lawyers and intends to enlist Sammy Sosa(notes) and Rafael Palmeiro to join in the suit.

Canseco said the basis of the suit would be “lost wages—in some cases, defamation of character.”

“Because I used steroids and I came out with a book, I was kicked out of the game, but I have not been inducted into the Hall of Fame,” Canseco said in a telephone interview.

“A lot of these players have not been inducted into the Hall of Fame: Mark McGwire and so forth. They’re losing salaries, because obviously when you’re inducted into the Hall of Fame, you get asked to do certain, you know, appearances and shows and so forth, which incorporates income. So there is a major income loss.

“Not even that, baseball blackballs you from their family, meaning you can’t have a future proper reference from them, a job, no managerial jobs, no coaching jobs, nothing. They completely sever you.”

The 1986 AL Rookie of the Year and 1988 AL MVP, Canseco hit 462 home runs from 1985-2001 and currently is 32nd on the career list. In books published in 2005 and last year, he detailed steroids use by himself and others.

Whether a judge would think Canseco has a case—and would even allow it to go to a jury—remains to be seen.

He appeared on the Hall of Fame ballot in 2007 and received just six votes, 21 below the amount necessary to remain in the Baseball Writers’ Association of America ballot in future years. McGwire, eighth on the career list with 583 homers, received 118 Hall of Fame votes this year, which came to 21.9 percent. That’s well below the 75 percent threshold needed for election and down from 128 votes in each of his first two appearances on the ballot.

“Always, one individual has to make that stand, which is me,” Canseco said. “And then I’ll obviously speak to other players and other individuals, see how far they want to go.”

Rob Manfred, MLB’s executive vice president for labor relations, declined comment. Michael Weiner, the union’s general counsel, did not respond to an e-mail seeking comment.

Canseco said players shouldn’t be stigmatized for using steroids before players and owners agreed to ban them in 2002.

“I don’t see why people just don’t get it. I don’t understand the ignorance,” he said. “Listen: It was allowed by Major League Baseball. It was endorsed by Major League Baseball. Why should the players be now reprimanded?”

He wasn’t surprised by a report Tuesday by The New York Times that Sammy Sosa was among 104 players who tested positive in baseball’s anonymous 2003 survey. The paper cited lawyers with knowledge of the 2003 drug-testing results who spoke on condition of anonymity because they did not want to publicly discuss material under court seal.

“Like I’ve said all along, in my era 80 percent of the players were using steroids and why would Sammy Sosa be excluded from that?” Canseco said. “I think people are going to be amazed how, you know, extensive that list is that Major League Baseball is holding back right now and who are on it.”

Canseco said the list should remain private because players were promised anonymity, but he predicted the remaining names eventually will trickle out and become public.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns

No way Jose.

You were ostracized now because you were a cheater. You were ostracized then because no team wanted to pay you to limp to 500HRs.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

Maybe I should sue Canseco and McGwire for lost earnings due to their rookie card values plummeting when it was revealed they were on the juice.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Fightin' Fish are 3-0 vs. the AL East so far. Bring on the Mighty Fuckin' Red Sox.

Nice start to the series for the Sox.... I was there last night at Fenway... I was out in left field, so i couldn't get the greatest shots.....

Wake started....


Ortiz hit his fifth bomb......


Ells stole two more bags....


Bard finished it out with 100 MPH heat.....


good time!

Cool pix, glad SOMEONE enjoyed the game. Hopefully we can eke out a win tonight, but if not, at least we come home from a .500 road trip. We had a rough trip to Boston in 03 as well.

[Machado]

For anybody here that subscribed to the MLB EI package like I have, just noticed
the upcoming Sunday Yankees gave vs the marlins at 5 eastern,2 pacific is NOT on the schedule.
Does ESPN have some sort of control over any Sunday games that begin after 4 eastern, 1 pacific?

[killeverything]

For anybody here that subscribed to the MLB EI package like I have, just noticed
the upcoming Sunday Yankees gave vs the marlins at 5 eastern,2 pacific is NOT on the schedule.
Does ESPN have some sort of control over any Sunday games that begin after 4 eastern, 1 pacific?

Probably.

A lot like FOX rules Saturday baseball. Or WEGN always broadcasts the Chicago games, even if they're on the MLB EI listings.

Maybe I should sue Canseco and McGwire for lost earnings due to their rookie card values plummeting when it was revealed they were on the juice.

Nice.

I don't think he has a case personally, and it probably will be thrown out by a judge.

[Machado]

For anybody here that subscribed to the MLB EI package like I have, just noticed
the upcoming Sunday Yankees gave vs the marlins at 5 eastern,2 pacific is NOT on the schedule.
Does ESPN have some sort of control over any Sunday games that begin after 4 eastern, 1 pacific?

Probably.

A lot like FOX rules Saturday baseball. Or WEGN always broadcasts the Chicago games, even if they're on the MLB EI listings.

Maybe I should sue Canseco and McGwire for lost earnings due to their rookie card values plummeting when it was revealed they were on the juice.

Nice.

I don't think he has a case personally, and it probably will be thrown out by a judge.

You were supposed to give me some good news. Guess I won't have access to that game on t.v.
FUCK YOU MLB BLACKOUT POLICY!!!

[killeverything]

I came across this and wanted to get some opinions on it.

There is some growing animosity between Posada behind the plate, and the MFY pitchers.

The last outing by Joba Chamberlain was almost embarrassing, with the 23-year-old fireballer continually shaking Posada off and wanting to throw his own pitches and the veteran catcher stomping to the mound to confront Joba about pitch selection.

In last night's game Yankee commentators, Michael Kay and John Flaherty, talked at some length about the disrespect that has been shown to Posada. Kay in particular took exception to Joba Chamberlain making such an issue of Posada's pitch selection.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2009 ... -the-plate

One unsettling fact for the Yankees is the difference when Jorge Posada catches. With Posada behind the plate, the Yankees’ pitchers have a 6.31 E.R.A. The combined E.R.A. with Francisco Cervelli, Jose Molina and Kevin Cash is 3.81...

Burnett, in particular, seems to struggle with him. In Burnett’s four starts pitching to Posada, opponents have batted .330. In nine starts with the other catchers, the average is .223.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/16/sport ... ref=sports

Remember both Mussina and Johnson refused to pitch to him. Now Burnett is starting to get vocal about not throwing to him.

How big of a problem is this?

[Machado]

Good post. I was unable to see the game last night, so I missed the comments on YES
Posada had a run in with another great Yankees pitcher, El Duque.
This sort of thing happens. What can you do?

I saw the game w/Joba on the mound and I was getting very irritated that they were not on the same page.
Posada has said recently that he "suggests what pitch to throw" and the pitcher can either nod yes or shake him off.

As for Joba, the kid is so young and is still getting his feet wet. He might be able to learn something from Posada.

A.J. is another story. If for any reason he does not feel comfortable, then let someone else catch him during the season.

[killeverything]

Good post. I was unable to see the game last night, so I missed the comments on YES
Posada had a run in with another great Yankees pitcher, El Duque.
This sort of thing happens. What can you do?

I saw the game w/Joba on the mound and I was getting very irritated that they were not on the same page.
Posada has said recently that he "suggests what pitch to throw" and the pitcher can either nod yes or shake him off.

As for Joba, the kid is so young and is still getting his feet wet. He might be able to learn something from Posada.

A.J. is another story. If for any reason he does not feel comfortable, then let someone else catch him during the season.

I just think it was interesting. I seem to have been hearing this a lot over the last couple of seasons, but didn't think anything of it. Now it's starting to come up again.

Aside from Mussina this is new though. I seem to recall ( during the Dynasty days ) that Pettitte swore by Jorge behind the plate. Same wtih Clemens, Wells, and Cone. I'm curious now as to the change. Sure he's coming off a surgery, but that shouldn't effect his game calling skills. Granted the MFY rotation hasn't been too good the last few years. Still ( I believe it was Posada, but am too lazy to look it up right now ) he's caught two perfect games with Wells and Cone, and a one hitter with Hughes.

We haven't had a press release about how they are all best buddies in a bit. I wonder what's going on.

[Machado]

Good post. I was unable to see the game last night, so I missed the comments on YES
Posada had a run in with another great Yankees pitcher, El Duque.
This sort of thing happens. What can you do?

I saw the game w/Joba on the mound and I was getting very irritated that they were not on the same page.
Posada has said recently that he "suggests what pitch to throw" and the pitcher can either nod yes or shake him off.

As for Joba, the kid is so young and is still getting his feet wet. He might be able to learn something from Posada.

A.J. is another story. If for any reason he does not feel comfortable, then let someone else catch him during the season.

I just think it was interesting. I seem to have been hearing this a lot over the last couple of seasons, but didn't think anything of it. Now it's starting to come up again.

Aside from Mussina this is new though. I seem to recall ( during the Dynasty days ) that Pettitte swore by Jorge behind the plate. Same wtih Clemens, Wells, and Cone. I'm curious now as to the change. Sure he's coming off a surgery, but that shouldn't effect his game calling skills. Granted the MFY rotation hasn't been too good the last few years. Still ( I believe it was Posada, but am too lazy to look it up right now ) he's caught two perfect games with Wells and Cone, and a one hitter with Hughes.

We haven't had a press release about how they are all best buddies in a bit. I wonder what's going on.

Chalk this up to personalities meshing and not getting along. If some Yankee pitchers "swear" by Jorge, then he must be doing a good enough job.
If other pitchers just don't get along with him, I don't think it's fair to blame the pitcher or Jorge.
About the perfect games, pretty sure it's not 2.
Girardi caught Cone's game and I think Posada caught Wells, but I could be wrong.

[killeverything]

Good post. I was unable to see the game last night, so I missed the comments on YES
Posada had a run in with another great Yankees pitcher, El Duque.
This sort of thing happens. What can you do?

I saw the game w/Joba on the mound and I was getting very irritated that they were not on the same page.
Posada has said recently that he "suggests what pitch to throw" and the pitcher can either nod yes or shake him off.

As for Joba, the kid is so young and is still getting his feet wet. He might be able to learn something from Posada.

A.J. is another story. If for any reason he does not feel comfortable, then let someone else catch him during the season.

I just think it was interesting. I seem to have been hearing this a lot over the last couple of seasons, but didn't think anything of it. Now it's starting to come up again.

Aside from Mussina this is new though. I seem to recall ( during the Dynasty days ) that Pettitte swore by Jorge behind the plate. Same wtih Clemens, Wells, and Cone. I'm curious now as to the change. Sure he's coming off a surgery, but that shouldn't effect his game calling skills. Granted the MFY rotation hasn't been too good the last few years. Still ( I believe it was Posada, but am too lazy to look it up right now ) he's caught two perfect games with Wells and Cone, and a one hitter with Hughes.

We haven't had a press release about how they are all best buddies in a bit. I wonder what's going on.

Chalk this up to personalities meshing and not getting along. If some Yankee pitchers "swear" by Jorge, then he must be doing a good enough job.
If other pitchers just don't get along with him, I don't think it's fair to blame the pitcher or Jorge.
About the perfect games, pretty sure it's not 2.
Girardi caught Cone's game and I think Posada caught Wells, but I could be wrong.

Yeah, that's it.

I wasn't sure about Cone. In fact I was almost certain it wasn't him, now I don't know why I wrote that.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Joba is starting to sound like AJ was during his tenure here, always shaking off the catchers and throwing the heat, and then the batters would go the fuck off on him. Don't listen to your catcher and coaches, you know everything! Asshole.

Chalk it up to youthful cockiness...for now. (referring to Joba)

Fuck, I can't wait for Saturday.


In the middle of a goddamn rain delay right now...they COULD call this game, 5 innings have been logged! DO IT DO IT! 2-1 Fish.

[killeverything]

Joba is starting to sound like AJ was during his tenure here, always shaking off the catchers and throwing the heat, and then the batters would go the fuck off on him. Don't listen to your catcher and coaches, you know everything! Asshole.

Chalk it up to youthful cockiness...for now. (referring to Joba)

Fuck, I can't wait for Saturday.


In the middle of a goddamn rain delay right now...they COULD call this game, 5 innings have been logged! DO IT DO IT! 2-1 Fish.

I love the fact that Joba's fatass doesn't listen to anyone. I love seeing him take the loss for not.

As for calling the game? Fuck that. Nolasco was fucking dealing tonite and I don't think they want to see anymore of him ( seems his stint in New Orleans worked )............let's see the BP .

[JakeYonkel]

So how about this new Dontrelle Willis shit?

On the DL for anxiety last year, rehabs in the minors, comes back, is relatively successful. Starts to get bombed in the majors, back on the DL for anxiety. Weird.

I am not passing judgment, because I suffer from anxiety myself - this just seems like a questionable use of the disabled list.

Even Dontrelle himself was saying all his problems were mechanical, and not mental - the trainer was saying otherwise.

Thoughts?

[Machado]

Unknown pitchers=tough Yankees losses.
Why is it that we can not hit at all when facing an unknown pitcher?
WTF!!
Do any other MLB teams suffer the same fate? I doubt it.

Have santana on the hill and we knock him out early.
Have some rookie, making his MLB debut and the pitcher shuts us down on 6 hits

At least the sox lost last night and the fish were on the east coast just as late as the Yankees were
last night.

[UtahRatt]

Canseco said the basis of the suit would be “lost wages—in some cases, defamation of character.”

Lost wages due to defamation of character? Just because he is a character doesn't mean he has character.
Besides, after having a ball doink off his head for a home run then slumming around with madonna did he have any character left?

[killeverything]

So how about this new Dontrelle Willis shit?

On the DL for anxiety last year, rehabs in the minors, comes back, is relatively successful. Starts to get bombed in the majors, back on the DL for anxiety. Weird.

I am not passing judgment, because I suffer from anxiety myself - this just seems like a questionable use of the disabled list.

Even Dontrelle himself was saying all his problems were mechanical, and not mental - the trainer was saying otherwise.

Thoughts?

I don't get it.

I think that the team is just trying to make something up to get him out of the rotation. Like a phantom-injury. The Player's Union won't let them just sit a guy without "just cause". If that were the case, all players that suck would be sitting, or ones with incentives that the team don't want to pay.

If a player is out of options ( or a vet ). They can't just send them down without the player's consent. I looked into this about what Boston could do to WBC MVP Matsuzaka. Hopefully he suffers from anxiety too.

[Machado]

who are the marlins tv announcers? going to watch the game tonight via
MLB EI. no Yankees feed,
just curious who the duo is and if i have heard of them before or not.

[WhiteHouseSubsAC]

who are the marlins tv announcers? going to watch the game tonight via
MLB EI. no Yankees feed,
just curious who the duo is and if i have heard of them before or not.

It's ok, nobody in Florida knows who they are either.

Changing subjects, Cliff Lee is probably trashing his locker room right now. ANOTHER quality start blown by the bullpen. You turn over a 7-2 lead in the 7th inning you're pretty sure you have the win, right? He got some run support for a change and he STILL can't catch a break.

[killeverything]

who are the marlins tv announcers? going to watch the game tonight via
MLB EI. no Yankees feed,
just curious who the duo is and if i have heard of them before or not.

It's ok, nobody in Florida knows who they are either.

Changing subjects, Cliff Lee is probably trashing his locker room right now. ANOTHER quality start blown by the bullpen. You turn over a 7-2 lead in the 7th inning you're pretty sure you have the win, right? He got some run support for a change and he STILL can't catch a break.

No shit.

I'm sure he and Carl ( I made the Yankees look stupid...fucking piece of shit bullpen ) Pavano, will unite and kill a couple of them. I gotta tell ya man. I didn't think Cleveland was going to look this bad this season.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Eat me, WHSAC. Rich Waltz and Tommy Hutton. Tommy's awesome, don't be hatin'.

So yeah...I HATE THE MFY. Andy was vintage Pettitte tonight, we got 3 freaking hits. Poor West, that was fucking batting practice out there early on. At least the bullpen kept the score from getting out of control.

I don't know what the hell was going on on the Turnpike, but it took us TWO HOURS to get to the ballpark, whereas it usually takes about an hour. Backed up for at least 15 miles, my car was starting to overheat, so we had to get off and get back on somewhere else. MFY Nation was out in full force, and some of the more obnoxious fucks were kicked out. They behaved for the most part, just did their obnoxious chants, and went into "Boston Sucks" at one point.

Oh yeah, ARod sat out tonite and will tomorrow, poor widdle baby is TIRED. WAHHH.

Tomorrow should be better.

[killeverything]

Eat me, WHSAC. Rich Waltz and Tommy Hutton. Tommy's awesome, don't be hatin'.

So yeah...I HATE THE MFY. Andy was vintage Pettitte tonight, we got 3 freaking hits. Poor West, that was fucking batting practice out there early on. At least the bullpen kept the score from getting out of control.

I don't know what the hell was going on on the Turnpike, but it took us TWO HOURS to get to the ballpark, whereas it usually takes about an hour. Backed up for at least 15 miles, my car was starting to overheat, so we had to get off and get back on somewhere else. MFY Nation was out in full force, and some of the more obnoxious fucks were kicked out. They behaved for the most part, just did their obnoxious chants, and went into "Boston Sucks" at one point.

Oh yeah, ARod sat out tonite and will tomorrow, poor widdle baby is TIRED. WAHHH.

Tomorrow should be better.

I wanna see the MFY have to face Nolasco.

He looked good in the game at Fenway.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Fucking BUMP!

So my throat hurts, my voice is froggy, my ears are ringing, and I had one of the most fun times I've had at the ballpark. I KNEW this pitching matchup would be a dream.

46,427 there tonight, 3rd largest crowd ever for a regular season game. And my Lemmy was it LOUD! Between all the screaming and yelling and the COW BELLS that was the giveaway, you couldn't hear yourself think! Had a fucking blast though, what an awesome game.

Tomorrow...Volstad and CC. If Chris doesn't get his shit together like NOW, it's gonna be a fucking home run derby. LET'S GO FISH AND TAKE THIS SERIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rainbow Bright]

Back to .500

What would be fucking funny is if The Mariners turn out to be the Cinderella in the playoffs this year.

[killeverything]

Back to .500

What would be fucking funny is if The Mariners turn out to be the Cinderella in the playoffs this year.

They have a team that could surpass their Pythag, not unlike the Wild Card contenders of 2007. If Aardsma handles the closer role, Morrow is fine with converting back to a starter, Beltre continues to hit, and Bedard can limit his DL stints. It's possible. Wakamatsu IMO is a decent manager, and they are trying to rebuild with the analysis of Tom Tango.

I'm not sure how I feel about their draft picks yet ( they had like 4 high picks ). A lot of infielders with high defensive projections. No Hernandez's or Arod types waiting in the wings so far.......yet that shit pans out so rarely anyway so whatever.

[Facedown]

C.C. leaves game in 2nd inning with undisclosed injury.

ETA: Left Biceps Tightness

[JakeYonkel]

Yankees go 2-4 against Washington and Florida. Embarrassing.

[TawnyVonJagger]

Goes to show ya Jakey, money can't buy you everything.

So yeah, fucking Lindstrom tried to give the game away, but apparently Jeter didn't want it bad enough! That got too close to my comfort, I didn't even see the last out, my hands were over my eyes. I wasn't expecting to take this game, but aside from Volstad's minor meltdown in the 3rd, he pitched a nice game, and the bullpen did their thing.
Was kind of bummed to see CC go so quickly, I was beginning to like him! We all thought it was because of the heat and him being a big guy he wasn't used to it, because it was fucking brutally hot and humid.

Another big crowd today, 35,000+. And I have to tip my hat to the MFY fans, by and large they behaved themselves.


One more thing...Mets and Phillies...see us in your rear view mirror? OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR!!!!! We're coming at ya, bitches!

I'm friggin' beat.

[killeverything]

C.C. leaves game in 2nd inning with undisclosed injury.

ETA: Left Biceps Tightness

I didn't get to see yesterday's games or today's. I just saw that CC left on Bottomline. I was wondering if something like this could've happened. The guy is a workhorse, but he's been rode harder than a 2$ whore.

Using Baseball Prospectus Pitcher Abuse Points, it points to something like this occuring. I'm not sure if it was his weight and the heat, or the after-effects of last season. I kinda worry about Jon Lester and his massive jump in innings pitched last season, plus Pappelbon's comments about starting to wear down at the end of the year too.

It's all a gamble. That said it's all specualtion and could be nothing.

I wanted to see the matchups. I wanted to see Lowe's return to Fenway. He was one of the "25", yada yada yada. I wanted to see AJ ( not an ace ) Burnett matchup against his former team. I love pitcher's duels. Plus Since 2003 to my recollection, Atlanta has always fucked up the Mighty Red Sox in Inter-League. I like how the boys are playing right now. A Nick Green walkoff? Are you fucking kidding me?



*Edited for a found additon to an eariler post*

Unknown pitchers=tough Yankees losses.
Why is it that we can not hit at all when facing an unknown pitcher?
WTF!!
Do any other MLB teams suffer the same fate? I doubt it.

Have santana on the hill and we knock him out early.
Have some rookie, making his MLB debut and the pitcher shuts us down on 6 hits

“The problem is not confined to the Yankees. The St. Louis Cardinals’ Albert Pujols, who is perhaps the best hitter in baseball, said last month that he would rather face elite pitchers like C. C. Sabathia, Jake Peavy, Carlos Zambrano and Roy Oswalt than a pitcher he does not know.”

“Sometimes, I have success against these guys because I’m really focused, and I know those guys are going to bring their best game,” he said. “And I need to bring my best game. Sometimes, I get discouraged about facing a rookie or somebody else because you think he’s going to make an automatic mistake. But sometimes that’s not the case. Sometimes, he pitches me tough, too.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/19/sport ... chers.html

[tin00can]

Same thing happens to the Angels all the goddamn time. Fuck, they beat Lincecum and ended his hot streak, but if you throw Johnny Neverheardofya on the mound against them they'll be lucky to score two runs.