Tom Brady : least valuable player?

Monsters_of_Rock · Post by **Monsters_of_Rock** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:06 am

The funny thing is this thread was supposed to be about Tom Brady. Who turned it into a Brett Favre thread? If the fucking people who hate him would stop going on and on and on and on about him, then maybe I would too. Don't want to hear about him? Here's a suggestion... don't bring his name into every thread.

Now, about that overhyped and overrated douchebag Tom Brady...

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:23 am

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:The funny thing is this thread was supposed to be about Tom Brady. Who turned it into a Brett Favre thread? If the fucking people who hate him would stop going on and on and on and on about him, then maybe I would too. Don't want to hear about him? Here's a suggestion... don't bring his name into every thread.

So I guess we can call you a Brady and Montana hater ?

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Now, about that overhyped and overrated douchebag Tom Brady...

What exactly makes Tom Brady a douchebag ?

LetUsPrey · Post by **LetUsPrey** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:28 am

thejuggernaut wrote:
Monsters_of_Rock wrote:The funny thing is this thread was supposed to be about Tom Brady. Who turned it into a Brett Favre thread? If the fucking people who hate him would stop going on and on and on and on about him, then maybe I would too. Don't want to hear about him? Here's a suggestion... don't bring his name into every thread.
So I guess we can call you a Brady and Montana hater ?

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Now, about that overhyped and overrated douchebag Tom Brady...
What exactly makes Tom Brady a douchebag ?

The fact that people that like him hate Brett Favre.

Monsters_of_Rock · Post by **Monsters_of_Rock** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:05 pm

thejuggernaut wrote:
Monsters_of_Rock wrote:The funny thing is this thread was supposed to be about Tom Brady. Who turned it into a Brett Favre thread? If the fucking people who hate him would stop going on and on and on and on about him, then maybe I would too. Don't want to hear about him? Here's a suggestion... don't bring his name into every thread.
So I guess we can call you a Brady and Montana hater ?

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Now, about that overhyped and overrated douchebag Tom Brady...
What exactly makes Tom Brady a douchebag ?

I don't hate Montana. I'm not a huge fan of him, but I do have some appreciation for what he did in his career. I enjoy watching his old games, but I just think that the legend of Joe Montana far exceeds the reality of what he was. He was a very good QB. One of the top 20 of all-time for sure, maybe even one of the top 10 of all-time. But nowhere near the best of all-time. He just doesn't compare favorably to the likes of Favre, Elway, Marino, Young, and Manning.

Tom Brady I do hate. What makes him a douchebag? Well, for starters his quote in my signature line. Mostly just his arrogant attitude and the fact that he bought into Belichik's propaganda a couple of years ago. They cheated, got caught red handed, and then had the audacity to portray themselves as the victims. So because they were so wronged by the league, they decided to get their revenge by running up the score on hapless opponents late in games that the outcome was no longer in doubt. I have no respect for teams or players that think they have to rub salt in the wound of a defeated opponent.

UtahRatt · Post by **UtahRatt** » Fri Oct 16, 2009 3:25 pm

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:The funny thing is this thread was supposed to be about Tom Brady.

Sure it was.

It had absolutely nothing to do with your Farve is better then Brady arguments. The more you talk the more like a fucking child you sound "But But But.....THEY STARTED IT MOM!"

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Obsessed.

HAHAHA! No obsession is you're boy love over farve.

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Who turned it into a Brett Favre thread? If the fucking people who hate him would stop going on and on and on and on about him

So how do you explain the fact that I like Farve? You are so much in denial that you have completely blocked out the sun of reality.

Fucking FagBoy.

Monsters_of_Rock · Post by **Monsters_of_Rock** » Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:47 am

Trying to steer this thread back on track, but the threadjackers continue to insist on making it about Brett Favre. I don't know if that is to deflect attention away from their loverboy Tom Brady's shitty play this season, or if they're just so consumed with irrational hatred that they can't stop talking about Favre. Either way, it's pretty pathetic. Carry on with your hate-fest, I'll gracefully bow out now as I have better things to do with my life than interact with fucking obsessed idiots.

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:20 am

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Trying to steer this thread back on track, but the threadjackers continue to insist on making it about Brett Favre. I don't know if that is to deflect attention away from their loverboy Tom Brady's shitty play this season, or if they're just so consumed with irrational hatred that they can't stop talking about Favre. Either way, it's pretty pathetic. Carry on with your hate-fest, I'll gracefully bow out now as I have better things to do with my life than interact with fucking obsessed idiots.

Better things, like, coming up with another Brady quote for your signature to show just how unobsessive YOUR hatred is ?

UtahRatt · Post by **UtahRatt** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:17 pm

LOL @ MOR, has there ever been a bigger pussy trying to pass off bull shit while living in denial? He's like a fucking child getting called out!

This thread had nothing to do with Farve! Hating on Brady has nothing to do with jealousy and all the other Brady vs Bret arguments that's been going on for fucking ever with him. Nothing to do with tearing him down to Bret's level!

An adult with a child like mind.

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Trying to steer this thread back on track, but the threadjackers continue to insist on making it about Brett Favre. I don't know if that is to deflect attention away from their loverboy Tom Brady's shitty play this season, or if they're just so consumed with irrational hatred that they can't stop talking about Favre. Either way, it's pretty pathetic. Carry on with your hate-fest, I'll gracefully bow out now as I have better things to do with my life than interact with fucking obsessed idiots.

Answer one question man-child..........Since I like Farve...Whats your fucking excuse now?

"It has to be hate! Other wise you would think he's the best!"

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:I'll gracefully bow out now as I have better things to do with my life than interact with fucking obsessed idiots.

Do you and Pee13 share the same "brother/sister" parents? I love how they continually open their mouth but when you stuff a sock in it they scream YOU'RE OBSESSED!

MOMMY!!!!!!!!!

bane · Post by **bane** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:36 pm

Brady has looked pretty damn valuable in the first half today. 5 TDs in a half? Yeah, he's washed up.

Ham Stroker's Ejacula · Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:47 pm

bane wrote:Brady has looked pretty damn valuable in the first half today. 5 TDs in a half? Yeah, he's washed up.

Actually, he threw all 5 in the 2nd quarter.

UtahRatt · Post by **UtahRatt** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:38 pm

Ham Stroker's Ejacula wrote:
bane wrote:Brady has looked pretty damn valuable in the first half today. 5 TDs in a half? Yeah, he's washed up.
Actually, he threw all 5 in the 2nd quarter.

So I guess that answers the "least valuable question"

What kind of idiot would even ask something like that?

29/34 380y for 6 TD's! IN THE SNOW! HAHAHA! How's that make you feel MOR? Pretty stupid I'd imagine. Fuck it, you're use to it.

demolition23 · Post by **demolition23** » Sun Oct 18, 2009 11:53 pm

UtahRatt wrote:
29/34 380y for 6 TD's! IN THE SNOW! HAHAHA! How's that make you feel MOR? Pretty stupid I'd imagine. Fuck it, you're use to it.

That was through what, 3 quarters?

Monsters_of_Rock · Post by **Monsters_of_Rock** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:56 am

One great quarter against an incredibly bad team completely erases five mediocre games? Hilarious!!!

Funny how a few people here are so quick to slobber all over Tom's dick.

JakeYonkel · Post by **JakeYonkel** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:00 am

I HATE Brady and the Patriots but fuck if you're not making me rethink my stance.

bane · Post by **bane** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:29 am

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:One great quarter against an incredibly bad team completely erases five mediocre games? Hilarious!!!

Funny how a few people here are so quick to slobber all over Tom's dick.

He did have 5 mediocre games, while he was obviously still struggling to find his footing again after a lost season and surgery, but how in the fuck can you discount a 6 TD game? Tennessee has a much better defense than "an incredibly bad team" ought to have, and it was in the fucking snow. That was a phenomenal performance by that QB that you love to hate. Not a bad day for your guy either.

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:37 am

The true hilarity is that his first 5 games were considered mediocre.

They might have been mediocre compared to his one unearthly season, but they were right on par with his career numbers, a career that has 3 rings.

Over %60 completion and a 3-1 TD-INT ratio is hardly mediocre.

His numbers were below EXPECTATION, but they were far from mediocre.

bane · Post by **bane** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:43 am

thejuggernaut wrote:

His numbers were below EXPECTATION, but they were far from mediocre.

That's probably true. I'd call them mediocre for him though. Regardless, he appears to be all the way back now.

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:04 am

bane wrote:
thejuggernaut wrote:

His numbers were below EXPECTATION, but they were far from mediocre.
That's probably true. I'd call them mediocre for him though. Regardless, he appears to be all the way back now.

Then that's your own unrealistic expectation.

He had one almost supernatural season.

Every other season was around 85-90 rating, %60-63 completion and a 2-1 TD-INT ratio.

I am guessing, because the record has fallen twice in the past half decade, there's a tendency to come to expect the otherworldly performances as the norm, rather than the lightning in a bottle they really are.

His numbers, before yesterday, were on par (and better in terms of td production) with every other season he had save the one magical season.

If you think numbers that were on par (better in some cases) with his career was mediocre for HIM, then clearly your EXPECTATIONS are that he should put up numbers similar to 2007, rather than his usual output.

Granted, his last full season was followed by an extended absence, so it's quite easy to have those expectations, but there really wasn't anything mediocre about his play vs his career.

Unless we also want to say Peyton Manning has been mediocre since 2004.

UtahRatt · Post by **UtahRatt** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:44 am

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:One great quarter against an incredibly bad team completely erases five mediocre games? Hilarious!!!

Funny how a few people here are so quick to slobber all over Tom's dick.

YER JUST A HATER! YER JUST A HATER! FARVE'S THE BEST, FARVE'S THE BEST!

Hey dick nuts you never answered my question. If I like farve what's your excuse for calling me a hater?

bane · Post by **bane** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:55 am

thejuggernaut wrote:
bane wrote:
thejuggernaut wrote:

His numbers were below EXPECTATION, but they were far from mediocre.
That's probably true. I'd call them mediocre for him though. Regardless, he appears to be all the way back now.
Then that's your own unrealistic expectation.

He had one almost supernatural season.

Every other season was around 85-90 rating, %60-63 completion and a 2-1 TD-INT ratio.

I am guessing, because the record has fallen twice in the past half decade, there's a tendency to come to expect the otherworldly performances as the norm, rather than the lightning in a bottle they really are.

His numbers, before yesterday, were on par (and better in terms of td production) with every other season he had save the one magical season.

If you think numbers that were on par (better in some cases) with his career was mediocre for HIM, then clearly your EXPECTATIONS are that he should put up numbers similar to 2007, rather than his usual output.

Granted, his last full season was followed by an extended absence, so it's quite easy to have those expectations, but there really wasn't anything mediocre about his play vs his career.

Unless we also want to say Peyton Manning has been mediocre since 2004.

If it was up to numbers Matt Schaub would be one of the greatest QBs in the league right now. Great QB play goes beyond simple stats like TD to INT ratio and completion percentage. It goes to things like completions for first downs on 3rd and long and winning in the last 2 minutes etc, but you know all that, so why are we arguing about it?

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:35 am

bane wrote:
thejuggernaut wrote:Then that's your own unrealistic expectation.

He had one almost supernatural season.

Every other season was around 85-90 rating, %60-63 completion and a 2-1 TD-INT ratio.

I am guessing, because the record has fallen twice in the past half decade, there's a tendency to come to expect the otherworldly performances as the norm, rather than the lightning in a bottle they really are.

His numbers, before yesterday, were on par (and better in terms of td production) with every other season he had save the one magical season.

If you think numbers that were on par (better in some cases) with his career was mediocre for HIM, then clearly your EXPECTATIONS are that he should put up numbers similar to 2007, rather than his usual output.

Granted, his last full season was followed by an extended absence, so it's quite easy to have those expectations, but there really wasn't anything mediocre about his play vs his career.

Unless we also want to say Peyton Manning has been mediocre since 2004.
If it was up to numbers Matt Schaub would be one of the greatest QBs in the league right now. Great QB play goes beyond simple stats like TD to INT ratio and completion percentage. It goes to things like completions for first downs on 3rd and long and winning in the last 2 minutes etc, but you know all that, so why are we arguing about it?

The games I saw had an Oline failing him, a 4th quarter comeback, defensive failings and some "make do while undermanned" games.

In other words, the same old pre 2007 Brady.

Tymaster · Post by **Tymaster** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 2:08 pm

Tom Brady to me presents an awesome football "what if."
Think about. Non-descript collegiate career at Michigan. Bledsoe gets knocked out for basically the season. The Pats were a stacked team. When Bledsoe was healthy and filled in for Brady in the playoffs, he did FINE. So, if Drew would have never been hit that year, would we even know who Tom Brady is???? I think that that Pats team was like the early 90's 49ers. Montana could win with 'em, Young could win with 'em, and Bono could win with 'em.

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:13 pm

Tymaster wrote:Tom Brady to me presents an awesome football "what if."
Think about. Non-descript collegiate career at Michigan. Bledsoe gets knocked out for basically the season. The Pats were a stacked team. When Bledsoe was healthy and filled in for Brady in the playoffs, he did FINE. So, if Drew would have never been hit that year, would we even know who Tom Brady is???? I think that that Pats team was like the early 90's 49ers. Montana could win with 'em, Young could win with 'em, and Bono could win with 'em.

They were so stacked with talent that Bledsoe was 0-2 when he went down.

bane · Post by **bane** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:51 pm

Cassell's success in NE and lack of it in KC adds a little credence to the "Brady is a system QB" argument. I think it's a little of both personally. Brady is very good and he plays on a very good team for a very good coach and offensive scheme that only makes him look better.

MickeyG · Post by **MickeyG** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:56 pm

And they finished 11-5 and were lucky in the divisional against Oakland.

Although they do say it's better to be born lucky than talented. If Tom and the Pats got lucky then, they sure as hell took advantage of it since and have produced some great football.

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:25 pm

bane wrote:Cassell's success in NE and lack of it in KC adds a little credence to the "Brady is a system QB" argument. I think it's a little of both personally. Brady is very good and he plays on a very good team for a very good coach and offensive scheme that only makes him look better.

There is no "system".

Brady has had 3 different systems since he's become starter and in only one of those years, year 3 of system #2, did he put up astronomical numbers, the year he finally got some all pro receivers.

It's not that Brady is a system QB - it's how utterly useless his former receivers (Branch, Givens etc) turned out to be without Tom Brady.

2 different systems and, save one astronomical season, amazingly consistent stats. 2006 was a typical Brady season -
61.8 3529 24 12 87.9

And his leading receiver was Reche Caldwell.

That's not a misprint.

He's now in system #3 and seems to be on his was to a typical Tom Brady season.

That's the QB, not a system.

thejuggernaut · Post by **thejuggernaut** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:02 pm

• When anyone said Tom Brady wasn't "back'' yet, what that really meant was he wasn't back to his near-perfect 2007 form, when the Patriots' deep passing game was almost comically effective. That season, any time New England really needed to score, Brady and Randy Moss just played pitch and catch from 40 to 50 yards, making it look like Brady's play call was something like, "Go deep and I'll get it to you.''

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... z0UVS6XiTG

Monsters_of_Rock · Post by **Monsters_of_Rock** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:19 pm

Question... how many times has Tom Brady passed for 30+ TDs in a season?

bane · Post by **bane** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:41 pm

Just once, the year he threw 50.

UtahRatt · Post by **UtahRatt** » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:52 pm

Monsters_of_Rock wrote:Question... how many times has Tom Brady passed for 30+ TDs in a season?

How many times has Bret threw over 40?

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