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Funnelhead wrote:Here is my thought on the wins debate. I like the fact that your pitcher can go out there, pitch like Gooden on crack, and then a weak ass bullpen comes in and loses his win. He walks out with a killer era and K's, adding to the total, yet gets hosed in the wins stat. That's baseball.

I don't have a problem not having avg for the reason Jake pointed out, but if the goal is to even the statistical sides, I'd vote for dumping quality starts.
See, I respect that. But I'm a bit of a stathead guy so I was trying to involve a bit 'more' into fantasy baseball than the usual crap. I mean, if I could get away with it I'd dump RBI since to me they're meaningless and a product of the situation, but I know those aren't going anywhere.

I don't think pitchers should be judged on wins and losses since there's so much out of their control. I understand it's part of the game, but when you're playing fantasy baseball, something intrinsically stat-heavy, it helps to try to level the effect other players on your guy's team on him achieving stats on his own merit.

For example, nobody can take away a home run from your hitter, or an RBi or SB. Strikeouts and saves also. But a win can be 'achieved' and then yanked out from under your pitcher due to any one of the following pitchers blowing it. Too much room for error IMO.
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JakeYonkel wrote:
Funnelhead wrote:Here is my thought on the wins debate. I like the fact that your pitcher can go out there, pitch like Gooden on crack, and then a weak ass bullpen comes in and loses his win. He walks out with a killer era and K's, adding to the total, yet gets hosed in the wins stat. That's baseball.

I don't have a problem not having avg for the reason Jake pointed out, but if the goal is to even the statistical sides, I'd vote for dumping quality starts.
See, I respect that. But I'm a bit of a stathead guy so I was trying to involve a bit 'more' into fantasy baseball than the usual crap. I mean, if I could get away with it I'd dump RBI since to me they're meaningless and a product of the situation, but I know those aren't going anywhere.

I don't think pitchers should be judged on wins and losses since there's so much out of their control. I understand it's part of the game, but when you're playing fantasy baseball, something intrinsically stat-heavy, it helps to try to level the effect other players on your guy's team on him achieving stats on his own merit.

For example, nobody can take away a home run from your hitter, or an RBi or SB. Strikeouts and saves also. But a win can be 'achieved' and then yanked out from under your pitcher due to any one of the following pitchers blowing it. Too much room for error IMO.
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League is full! Let's finalize the stats we're using and schedule the draft.

I suggest March 21 for the auto-draft. That gives us two weeks until opening day to add/drop some players from the waiver wire, as well as to swing deals.
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March 21 is fine. Doesn't make a difference to me.

As far as stats I haven't changed anything since I made the post above.

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Hey Jake, apparently I don't post enough to know how it works (see blank reply above), but the point I wanted to make on dropping the QS stat is that I think of it like this:

Say there is a man at second, with your batter walking to the plate. It's an RBI chance. But, the runner gets picked off. On the next pitch your batter cranks a double. QS in my mind would equal giving your batter an RBI because he would have had one if not for the play of the runner (Ie: the pitcher would have gotten a win if not for the play of a relief pitcher).


If you are looking for 6 stat categories on each side, may I suggest replacing QS with Complete Game and maybe add avg or walks on the offensive side of things. Or just pair the pitching stats back to five.
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I play in a league with Complete Games and I hate it, because it's TOTALLY based on luck. I mean, how many guys consistently throw more than 1-2 per year? Unless you have Halladay or Sabathia it's a crapshoot. We're actually ditching that stat this year.

I specifically dropped average from the stats this year. Walks are kinda encompassed in OBP. I could pull back QS if you guys really don't want it and we can roll with 10 stats, 5 for offense and 5 for pitching. It's not like it's football and if you wind up tied for the week you don't get a win or loss, since the stats are cumulative.
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So is the draft going to be held on the 21st (or at least set to draft on that day)? I want to know how long I have to do my pre-rankings.
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Yeah, I'll run it on the 21st.
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WOLF wrote:So is the draft going to be held on the 21st (or at least set to draft on that day)? I want to know how long I have to do my pre-rankings.
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WOLF wrote:So is the draft going to be held on the 21st (or at least set to draft on that day)? I want to know how long I have to do my pre-rankings.
We did it last Saturday, Wolf. Sorry.
I'll still kick your ass in the playoffs - even with a team full of waiver wire pickups!
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WOLF wrote:So is the draft going to be held on the 21st (or at least set to draft on that day)? I want to know how long I have to do my pre-rankings.
We did it last Saturday, Wolf. Sorry.
I'll still kick your ass in the playoffs - even with a team full of waiver wire pickups!
Will you use the "one strikeout in the last category in the last inning of the last game of the week" strategy again?
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Unleash the fookin fury, Wolf!
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One week to the draft. Get those pre-rankings done folks!

Jake and co. - any thoughts on adding holds as a stat? With such a deep league, and only limited dependable closers available, it might be interesting to even the playing field by giving some value (beyond ERA and WHIP) to the Matt Thornton's of this world - the 7th and 8th inning guys.
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I'm not opposed. Ditch QS for holds?
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JakeYonkel wrote:I'm not opposed. Ditch QS for holds?
I'm fine with both actually. I like that a starter could somehow contribute to your team's week even if his bullpen aced him/you out of a win.
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Can we somehow pull all cub players out of the auto draft? It will benefit all of us to not have them in the league.
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JakeYonkel wrote:I'm not opposed. Ditch QS for holds?
I'd support that. If your dude has a 'Quality Start' then you're going to come up trumps in other stats anyway.
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Only problem with keeping QS and Holds is that then the stats are tipping mightily in favor of pitching, that's all.
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OK, can we just run this fucker? I'm getting an itchy trigger finger and want to start wheeling and dealing! There's probably only 4 of us geeky enough to do the pre-rankings anyways.
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Hahaha... I can set it to run in a few minutes, if you want... I just hope everybody's ranked....
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The only issue is that we never really reached a consensus as far as the Holds/QS debate goes. Once the draft runs I cannot change the stat categories. So figure that out and i'll set the draft status to 'ready.'
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JakeYonkel wrote:The only issue is that we never really reached a consensus as far as the Holds/QS debate goes. Once the draft runs I cannot change the stat categories. So figure that out and i'll set the draft status to 'ready.'
You're the commish, we'll abide by your decision. I'm ranked, which is way ahead of schedule.
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WhiteHouseSubsAC wrote:
JakeYonkel wrote:The only issue is that we never really reached a consensus as far as the Holds/QS debate goes. Once the draft runs I cannot change the stat categories. So figure that out and i'll set the draft status to 'ready.'
You're the commish, we'll abide by your decision. I'm ranked, which is way ahead of schedule.
Yeah, I'm cool with that. You're the commish Jake. I agree that the stats would be pitching heavy, so make the call between QS and H and spin the wheel. If everyone did their rankings factoring in QS, then might as well leave it. Holds are a little arbitrary anyways.
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Ok, leaving it as is and setting the draft to run now. Check your team later today, I assume...
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OK Ladies, the draft has run. Looking to upgrade 2B and SS, talk to me after the waiver wire opens!
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Looking at my team really quick, I'm the guy to come to if you want to pick up a quality pitcher for some quality offence.
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I just let my team run. No drafts, anything. It worked pretty well in my other league last year.

I end up with the fucking Captain at short. :lol:

Beckett better have a career/contract year.
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AJ Burnett
Papelbon or Rivera
Todd Helton

could be had in a deal that will bring me a better quality 1B and a lesser closer and starter in return.
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WOLF, are you interested in Ortiz?
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