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jay city roller wrote:Do you people really think that banning guns is going to keep them off the streets? Tell me, how is that working out for weed, crack, cocaine and heroin?
It is a FACT that fewer guns per capita in society lead to a society with FEWER gun deaths! The USA has the highest rate of per capita gun ownership on earth and therefore the highest gun death rate in the western world!

Japan, England, and Australia virtually ban private gun ownership and they have the lowest gun death rates! It's not rocket science! 300 million guns is far too many!
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jay city roller wrote:Do you people really think that banning guns is going to keep them off the streets? Tell me, how is that working out for weed, crack, cocaine and heroin?
It is a FACT that fewer guns per capita in society lead to a society with FEWER gun deaths! The USA has the highest rate of per capita gun ownership on earth and therefore the highest gun death rate in the western world!

Japan, England, and Australia virtually ban private gun ownership and they have the lowest gun death rates! It's not rocket science! 300 million guns is far too many!
You didn't answer my question. That is because there is no way to logically dispute my point.

By the way, violent crime is on the decrease in every U.S. state that has adopted concealed carry laws. Explain that one away.
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Violent crime is even LOWER in almost all nations that restrict or ban private gun ownership!

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RATTrules wrote:Violent crime is even LOWER in almost all nations that restrict or ban private gun ownership!

EXPLAIN THAT!
Explain how a lack of guns results in less stabbings, beatings, strangulation and other means of violence that do not require guns. Why would you even make such an illogical statement? EXPLAIN THAT!
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RATTrules wrote:Violent crime is even LOWER in almost all nations that restrict or ban private gun ownership!

EXPLAIN THAT!
Explain how a lack of guns results in less stabbings, beatings, strangulation and other means of violence that do not require guns. Why would you even make such an illogical statement? EXPLAIN THAT!
He can't explain it, because he made it up. I can think of at least three bombings in England in the past seven years that killed scores of people. Remember Jack the Ripper? I don't think he used a gun. But he killed a lot of people and terrorized London. Show us some facts, RATTtool.
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jay city roller wrote:
Danzig in the Dark wrote:
RATTrules wrote:Violent crime is even LOWER in almost all nations that restrict or ban private gun ownership!

EXPLAIN THAT!
Explain how a lack of guns results in less stabbings, beatings, strangulation and other means of violence that do not require guns. Why would you even make such an illogical statement? EXPLAIN THAT!
He can't explain it, because he made it up. I can think of at least three bombings in England in the past seven years that killed scores of people. Remember Jack the Ripper? I don't think he used a gun. But he killed a lot of people and terrorized London. Show us some facts, RATTtool.
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jay city roller wrote:
Danzig in the Dark wrote:
RATTrules wrote:Violent crime is even LOWER in almost all nations that restrict or ban private gun ownership!

EXPLAIN THAT!
Explain how a lack of guns results in less stabbings, beatings, strangulation and other means of violence that do not require guns. Why would you even make such an illogical statement? EXPLAIN THAT!
He can't explain it, because he made it up. I can think of at least three bombings in England in the past seven years that killed scores of people. Remember Jack the Ripper? I don't think he used a gun. But he killed a lot of people and terrorized London. Show us some facts, RATTtool.
England and all of western Europe has a lower gun death rate AND a lower homicide rate! So does Australia and Japan!
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RATTrules wrote:England and all of western Europe has a lower gun death rate AND a lower homicide rate! So does Australia and Japan!
England also has exorbitant taxes and is being infiltrated by Muslim terrorists because of liberal immigration policies!

Sounds like your kind of place, RATTrules! Fucking MOVE THERE! And stop it with the goofy exclamation points at the end of every sentence!
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DEATH ROW JOE wrote:In the early 90s, even Reagan was for tougher gun laws. Seems like Obama is going to propose some reasonable gun regulations just so they will get struck down by the GOP controlled House and then he can use that to beat them over the head for 2014. Everything Obama is doing now seems to be directed at destroying the GOP.

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"Anniversary" is a word we usually associate with happy events that we like to remember: birthdays, weddings, the first job. March 30, however, marks an anniversary I would just as soon forget, but cannot.

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Jim Brady, my press secretary, who was standing next to me, wasn't as lucky. A bullet entered the left side of his forehead, near his eye, and passed through the right side of his brain before it exited. The skills of the George Washington University medical team, plus his amazing determination and the grit and spirit of his wife, Sarah, pulled Jim through. His recovery has been remarkable, but he still lives with physical pain every day and must spend much of his time in a wheelchair.


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It doesn't seem this will be another Republican failure.
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:It doesn't seem this will be another Republican failure.
YES it is! They obviously like killing and dead kids! It is an OUTRAGE that nothing has been done since the massacre at Sandy Hook! Before Before Australia's assault weapons ban they had 14 mass shootings and ZERO after the ban! Gun bans do work and the evidence is clear! Similar gun deaths in the UK as well while we have 30,000+!
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:It doesn't seem this will be another Republican failure.
YES it is! They obviously like killing and dead kids! It is an OUTRAGE that nothing has been done since the massacre at Sandy Hook! Before Before Australia's assault weapons ban they had 14 mass shootings and ZERO after the ban! Gun bans do work and the evidence is clear! Similar gun deaths in the UK as well while we have 30,000+!
WTF are you takling about? They got what they wanted. You failed.
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:
RATTrules wrote:
Danzig in the Dark wrote:It doesn't seem this will be another Republican failure.
YES it is! They obviously like killing and dead kids! It is an OUTRAGE that nothing has been done since the massacre at Sandy Hook! Before Before Australia's assault weapons ban they had 14 mass shootings and ZERO after the ban! Gun bans do work and the evidence is clear! Similar gun deaths in the UK as well while we have 30,000+!
WTF are you takling about? They got what they wanted. You failed.
RATTfag's posts read like the makings of a "manifesto". We need to make sure that water heads like him never get their hands on a gun. I would vote in favor of that measure of gun control 100 percent. The rest of us can put on our big boy pants and use guns for self defense. RATTfag seems to have a vested homosexual interest in protecting criminals.
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:
RATTrules wrote:
Danzig in the Dark wrote:It doesn't seem this will be another Republican failure.
YES it is! They obviously like killing and dead kids! It is an OUTRAGE that nothing has been done since the massacre at Sandy Hook! Before Before Australia's assault weapons ban they had 14 mass shootings and ZERO after the ban! Gun bans do work and the evidence is clear! Similar gun deaths in the UK as well while we have 30,000+!
WTF are you takling about? They got what they wanted. You failed.
I mean the disgusting Repukes failed morally. They showed they prefer dead kids over safety in our society!
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jay city roller wrote:
RATTrules wrote:
Danzig in the Dark wrote:It doesn't seem this will be another Republican failure.
YES it is! They obviously like killing and dead kids! It is an OUTRAGE that nothing has been done since the massacre at Sandy Hook! Before Before Australia's assault weapons ban they had 14 mass shootings and ZERO after the ban! Gun bans do work and the evidence is clear! Similar gun deaths in the UK as well while we have 30,000+!
RATTfag's posts read like the makings of a "manifesto". We need to make sure that water heads like him never get their hands on a gun. I would vote in favor of that measure of gun control 100 percent. The rest of us can put on our big boy pants and use guns for self defense. RATTfag seems to have a vested homosexual interest in protecting criminals.
Hey MORON you haven't refuted my major points so I WIN! 14 mass shootings before Australia's gun ban and ZERO after show they do work! We have 62 mass shootings and counting and assholes like you are indifferent to all the carnage!
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RATTrules wrote: I mean the disgusting Repukes failed morally. They showed they prefer dead kids over safety in our society!
So you think the Democrats would pass a total gun ban? They dropped a lot of the assault ban even because they knew they didn't have the votes from their own party.

"Reid guessed that the measure, sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had support from fewer than 40 senators, far less than the 60 votes needed for passage"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... -gun-bill/
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RATTfag, please tell me what is wrong with Americans' right to the second amendment and self defense? Really. Why should Americans not be able to protect themselves? And please don't give us anymore of your bullshit socialist European statistics. I want you to tell me why I - a lawabiding man - should not be able to put a bullet into the head of a scumbag who threatens my family with eminent danger. Please explain that. I really want to know why you think my wife and kids should not be protected. And dont give me that "all you have to do is call the police" bullshit. Speak up. Please.
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jay city roller wrote: RATTfag's posts read like the makings of a "manifesto". We need to make sure that water heads like him never get their hands on a gun. I would vote in favor of that measure of gun control 100 percent. The rest of us can put on our big boy pants and use guns for self defense. RATTfag seems to have a vested homosexual interest in protecting criminals.
How are you going to put on any pants with your crippled hands, let alone hold onto a gun? Bonedog, you should have a vested interest in all things homosexual.
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:
jay city roller wrote: RATTfag's posts read like the makings of a "manifesto". We need to make sure that water heads like him never get their hands on a gun. I would vote in favor of that measure of gun control 100 percent. The rest of us can put on our big boy pants and use guns for self defense. RATTfag seems to have a vested homosexual interest in protecting criminals.
How are you going to put on any pants with your crippled hands, let alone hold onto a gun? Bonedog, you should have a vested interest in all things homosexual.
I don't see any posts from a "Bonedog", or any other homosexual except you, Danfag in the Ass.
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RATTrules wrote: I mean the disgusting Repukes failed morally. They showed they prefer dead kids over safety in our society!
So you think the Democrats would pass a total gun ban? They dropped a lot of the assault ban even because they knew they didn't have the votes from their own party.

"Reid guessed that the measure, sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., had support from fewer than 40 senators, far less than the 60 votes needed for passage"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... -gun-bill/
If there was a democratic house and senate we'd get the assault weapons ban and we may just get a democratic house in 2014. I believe only about 16 seats need to switch and Dems got more votes in the house last time but gerrymandering gave the Repukes more seats.

All you have to do is look at Australia to see how well gun bans work. Or Israel where only 2% of the people own a gun with NO mass shooting! Fewer guns means fewer gun deaths!
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jay city roller wrote:RATTfag, please tell me what is wrong with Americans' right to the second amendment and self defense? Really. Why should Americans not be able to protect themselves? And please don't give us anymore of your bullshit socialist European statistics. I want you to tell me why I - a lawabiding man - should not be able to put a bullet into the head of a scumbag who threatens my family with eminent danger. Please explain that. I really want to know why you think my wife and kids should not be protected. And dont give me that "all you have to do is call the police" bullshit. Speak up. Please.
FUCK what is this bullshit about the boogeyman after you? You are living just fine without a bazooka, machine gun, chemical or nuclear weapons! Guns are simply another instrument of DEATH! America is Israel's closet ally yet they only have a gun ownership rate of 1/50! Most western Euro nations have an even LOWER rate. Around 6 BILLION people get along fine without a gun and so can you!
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RATTrules wrote: If there was a democratic house and senate we'd get the assault weapons ban and we may just get a democratic house in 2014. I believe only about 16 seats need to switch and Dems got more votes in the house last time but gerrymandering gave the Repukes more seats.

All you have to do is look at Australia to see how well gun bans work. Or Israel where only 2% of the people own a gun with NO mass shooting! Fewer guns means fewer gun deaths!
Perhaps but I don't understand your math on that when over 25% of the current Democratic senators wouldn't support the assault ban now. You seem to be ignoring that fact. Plus, you keep talking about eliminating guns like that is a GOP issue when there is zero chance the democrats would support that. You are incorrect on the number of seats the Democrats need to take the house as well and good luck on that anyway.

I'm all for less guns on the street and control of access but elimination shouldn't even be in the conversation as it's neither the will of the people, constitutional or something that either political party would support. The assault ban would have the same effect on crime as tight gun control does in Chicago-none.
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RATTrules wrote: If there was a democratic house and senate we'd get the assault weapons ban and we may just get a democratic house in 2014. I believe only about 16 seats need to switch and Dems got more votes in the house last time but gerrymandering gave the Repukes more seats.

All you have to do is look at Australia to see how well gun bans work. Or Israel where only 2% of the people own a gun with NO mass shooting! Fewer guns means fewer gun deaths!
Perhaps but I don't understand your math on that when over 25% of the current Democratic senators wouldn't support the assault ban now. You seem to be ignoring that fact. Plus, you keep talking about eliminating guns like that is a GOP issue when there is zero chance the democrats would support that. You are incorrect on the number of seats the Democrats need to take the house as well and good luck on that anyway.

I'm all for less guns on the street and control of access but elimination shouldn't even be in the conversation as it's neither the will of the people, constitutional or something that either political party would support. The assault ban would have the same effect on crime as tight gun control does in Chicago-none.
Chicago has a LOCAL ban. You realize all the guns come from OUTSIDE Chicago? They traced many of the guns in Chicago to a gun store in IL so they were illegal straw purchases!

If you had a nationwide ban it would certainly work since it works in every other nation! The Supreme Court has ruled that you can most certainly restrict the kind of gun you have you just cannot ban guns outright but you can ban certain types!
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RATTrules wrote: Chicago has a LOCAL ban. You realize all the guns come from OUTSIDE Chicago? They traced many of the guns in Chicago to a gun store in IL so they were illegal straw purchases!

If you had a nationwide ban it would certainly work since it works in every other nation! The Supreme Court has ruled that you can most certainly restrict the kind of gun you have you just cannot ban guns outright but you can ban certain types!
Again, you keep talking like a nationwide ban is possible. It's not nor is it even on the table. Your own point about the Supreme Court proves that point. With it not possible as you just pointed out, why do you keep talking about how it would work and it works other places? The question on gun type restriction boils down to would it have any real impact. It might make people feel better but ultimately it would not help.

There are many things that would work to improve things that all have to do with access, education and personal accountability. Cultural issues and the need for mental health reform also factor large into this. Again, don't come back with none of that's needed if there were a nationwide ban because as you yourself just acknowledged, that's not possible.

This is not how the process works, but let's say a Congressman put out a bill to add a constitutional amendment that would overturn the 2nd amendment and offer that nationwide ban you reference. How many votes do you think it would get from the Democrats? Aside from the constitutional issues that exist, neither party has any support for that.
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RATTrules wrote: Chicago has a LOCAL ban. You realize all the guns come from OUTSIDE Chicago? They traced many of the guns in Chicago to a gun store in IL so they were illegal straw purchases!
If you had a nationwide ban it would certainly work since it works in every other nation! The Supreme Court has ruled that you can most certainly restrict the kind of gun you have you just cannot ban guns outright but you can ban certain types!
Again, you keep talking like a nationwide ban is possible. It's not nor is it even on the table. Your own point about the Supreme Court proves that point. With it not possible as you just pointed out, why do you keep talking about how it would work and it works other places? The question on gun type restriction boils down to would it have any real impact. It might make people feel better but ultimately it would not help. There are many things that would work to improve things that all have to do with access, education and personal accountability. Cultural issues and the need for mental health reform also factor large into this. Again, don't come back with none of that's needed if there were a nationwide ban because as you yourself just acknowledged, that's not possible. This is not how the process works, but let's say a Congressman put out a bill to add a constitutional amendment that would overturn the 2nd amendment and offer that nationwide ban you reference. How many votes do you think it would get from the Democrats? Aside from the constitutional issues that exist, neither party has any support for that.
It IS perfectly legal to have an assault weapons ban! Diane Feinstein is an atty for fucks sake so she wouldn't
Spend all that time drafting a bill if it wasn't legal! You can restrict certain types of guns you just can't ban guns outright!
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RattRules, There are a lot of Democrats that "like killing and dead children" also, along with a whole bunch of their constituency, it would seem.
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RATTrules wrote: It IS perfectly legal to have an assault weapons ban! Diane Feinstein is an atty for fucks sake so she wouldn't
Spend all that time drafting a bill if it wasn't legal! You can restrict certain types of guns you just can't ban guns outright!
Obviously its legal to ban certain type of guns--however ineffective that was in the past or would be in the future. Nowhere in my post did I suggest otherwise. I'm asking you why you keep talking about a total gun ban and citing other countries statistics over and over when that's not possible here? I'm suggesting you focus on real solutions and not things that have no chance of happening.
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Danzig in the Dark wrote:RattRules, There are a lot of Democrats that "like killing and dead children" also, along with a whole bunch of their constituency, it would seem.
Yeah, sickening isn't it? Like Piers Morgan and Michael Moore said they have blood on their hands!
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RATTrules wrote: It IS perfectly legal to have an assault weapons ban! Diane Feinstein is an atty for fucks sake so she wouldn'tSpend all that time drafting a bill if it wasn't legal! You can restrict certain types of guns you just can't ban guns outright!
Obviously its legal to ban certain type of guns--however ineffective that was in the past or would be in the future. Nowhere in my post did I suggest otherwise. I'm asking you why you keep talking about a total gun ban and citing other countries statistics over and over when that's not possible here? I'm suggesting you focus on real solutions and not things that have no chance of happening.
Well at least 6 states already have an assault weapons ban! CA, NY, NJ, MA, MD, and CT just got one after Sandy Hook. NY even talked about going door to door to collect assault weapons like they did in England and Australia but voted that down.Like the President said you can't stop all violence but you can take steps to reduce it! The goal is to eventually get back the nationwide assault weapons ban and ban high capacity clips. Even Colorado banned those recently so at least 7 states have banned high capacity clips!
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RATTrules wrote:
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RATTrules wrote: It IS perfectly legal to have an assault weapons ban! Diane Feinstein is an atty for fucks sake so she wouldn'tSpend all that time drafting a bill if it wasn't legal! You can restrict certain types of guns you just can't ban guns outright!
Obviously its legal to ban certain type of guns--however ineffective that was in the past or would be in the future. Nowhere in my post did I suggest otherwise. I'm asking you why you keep talking about a total gun ban and citing other countries statistics over and over when that's not possible here? I'm suggesting you focus on real solutions and not things that have no chance of happening.
Well at least 6 states already have an assault weapons ban! CA, NY, NJ, MA, MD, and CT just got one after Sandy Hook. NY even talked about going door to door to collect assault weapons like they did in England and Australia but voted that down.Like the President said you can't stop all violence but you can take steps to reduce it! The goal is to eventually get back the nationwide assault weapons ban and ban high capacity clips. Even Colorado banned those recently so at least 7 states have banned high capacity clips!
Holy shit! RATTfag actually used two periods in that post instead of all exclamation points!
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