Donald Trump Won.

[Hatchets Molly]

I'm not a stats guy, but I was surprised how many eligible voters didn't vote. Lazy. Sick of politics. Vote doesn't matter. Whatever the reason. Still, something like 50%??

[Bono Nettencourt]

I also know a few peeps who didn't like Kamala and left the President line blank saying, "I'm not going to vote for someone just so Trump doesn't win". Shit adds up.

Glad to hear substantiation of this, because it obviously happened - there was ticket-splitting in 6 battleground states, with the Prez vote total lower than the downticket race in all of them. The reverse is what usually happens (e.g. 2016). People didn't want Kamala and the numbers bear it out.

[FreddyFender]

Outside of PA, all the swing states that voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

Both sides are all over the internet saying "this means the other side is cheating!"

No, it suggests people are happy with how the direction their state is going, but unhappy how the country is going.

[tooth]

Outside of PA, all the swing states brought voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

This may be the only stat you need.

[VicStelly]

The idea of stealing elections is poisonous. And the idea of stealing elections with the level of precision to get scrambled outcomes like this is a joke. If you can cheat, cheat yourself into total control from top to bottom. Absolutely absurd. These elections are locally run and very decentralized. It would require a massive conspiracy of thousands of very smart people. I’ve yet to meet one municipal employee that smart. Much less thousands distributed across 16,000 swing communities in 7 to 10 states. Absurd.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Outside of PA, all the swing states brought voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

This may be the only stat you need.

Yep. And PA ain't over yet. NC voted for a Dem Guv too.

[Love_Industry]

I know it's a snarky comment to make anyone that questioned that at the time look stupid - but it still is suspicious how those 81.2 million votes for Biden jump off the page from all other elections.

Biden barely campaigned that election, made a rare video message from Deleware. He was always a long time gaffe prone Washington insider and not getting any more appealing with age and time. Hard to believe he inspired the biggest show of support ever seen for a candidate.

It would be a lot more suspicious if Trump didn't also get the largest number of votes in 2020. Apparently there was something that motivated people on both sides to vote in 2020 (covid?) and it seems to be conventional wisdom that a high turnout favors the Democrats.

Also, being an experienced but not very controversial Washington insider may have been an advantage for Biden in 2020 after four chaotic years when voters wanted stability and predictability. But in 2024, the voters wanted change. This article is spot on: "She’s running as a change candidate even though she has not revealed any major breaks that she would make with her boss".

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/harris ... index.html

Yep. The math maths. For the Dems, this election was a regression to 2016.

Agree. The outlier here is the high number of Rep votes with a lower 2024 turnout. Their numbers dropped from 2020 too, but not as much as the Dems. This goes against conventional wisdom. Was there an "anyone but Harris" group that went out to vote this year like there was an "anyone but Trump" group in 2020? That could explain it. But it's nothing that was recognized before the election, unlike 2020.

[VicStelly]

I know of one election where a Dem Sheriff got 23k more votes than Harris. There are sure to be more. Also, COVID in 2020 spiked turnout when people had free time.

[NeonKnite]

I think it's time for Democrats to "read the room" and realize that the United States is a racist and sexist nation. They also need to realize that people don't give a fuck a about immigrants and don't want an open border of any sort. We're a selfish, narcissistic country. A vast majority of people don't even give a shit about their fellow Americans much less immigrants.

In retrospect, it appears to me that Barack Obama getting elected clearly was a trigger for many causing them to get involved in politics for the first time and helped to shift the demographic of the GOP moving towards blue collar workers in red states. These people are racist as fuck, and if you don't believe that, you haven't lived or you're in denial.

And clearly, nothing motivates people to either not vote at all or vote GOP like the Democrats running a woman and, especially, a black asian woman.

[AlexVonHaig]

Outside of PA, all the swing states that voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

So true with the exception of Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan and Georgia and Nevada which has not been called yet. In fact the only swing state that went for Trump and did vote in Dem incumbent was Wisconsin.

Were you watching CNN when you posted this?

[Mojo]

Outside of PA, all the swing states that voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

So true with the exception of Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan and Georgia and Nevada which has not been called yet. In fact the only swing state that went for Trump and did vote in Dem incumbent was Wisconsin.

Were you watching CNN when you posted this?

Arizona, at least, is leaning for the Democrat candidate. I don't live in the other states, so don't care to look them up.

[FreddyFender]

Outside of PA, all the swing states that voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

So true with the exception of Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan and Georgia and Nevada which has not been called yet. In fact the only swing state that went for Trump and did vote in Dem incumbent was Wisconsin.

Were you watching CNN when you posted this?

North Carolina - Didn't have an election for senator.
Georgia - Didn't have an election for Senator.

Michigan - Called for Sorkin by AP.
Nevada - Called for Rosen by the AP.

Arizona - Lake has maybe a 1% chance of turning it around. Highly unlikely.
Ohio - Hasn't been a swing state in a long time.

[NeonKnite]

Outside of PA, all the swing states that voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

So true with the exception of Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan and Georgia and Nevada which has not been called yet. In fact the only swing state that went for Trump and did vote in Dem incumbent was Wisconsin.

Were you watching CNN when you posted this?

North Carolina - Didn't have an election for senator.
Georgia - Didn't have an election for Senator.

Michigan - Called for Sorkin by AP.
Nevada - Called for Rosen by the AP.

Arizona - Lake has maybe a 1% chance of turning it around. Highly unlikely.
Ohio - Hasn't been a swing state in a long time.

Pennsylvania went for Trump and Republican McCormick beat the longtime incumbent Democrat Robert Casey.

[diablomozart]

It would be a lot more suspicious if Trump didn't also get the largest number of votes in 2020. Apparently there was something that motivated people on both sides to vote in 2020 (covid?) and it seems to be conventional wisdom that a high turnout favors the Democrats.

Also, being an experienced but not very controversial Washington insider may have been an advantage for Biden in 2020 after four chaotic years when voters wanted stability and predictability. But in 2024, the voters wanted change. This article is spot on: "She’s running as a change candidate even though she has not revealed any major breaks that she would make with her boss".

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/harris ... index.html

Yep. The math maths. For the Dems, this election was a regression to 2016.

Agree. The outlier here is the high number of Rep votes with a lower 2024 turnout. Their numbers dropped from 2020 too, but not as much as the Dems. This goes against conventional wisdom. Was there an "anyone but Harris" group that went out to vote this year like there was an "anyone but Trump" group in 2020? That could explain it. But it's nothing that was recognized before the election, unlike 2020.

i can float a theory...think back to 2020...where was everyone?...locked in their homes with nothing to do but watch tv, etc...in 2024 many had returned back to their normal lives with work, family, etc being their priorities...i'm probably wrong but it could account for a small percentage...d.m.

[Tyketto Meniketti]

I'll be very interested to see what the differences were between this election and the last, and why the Democrats weren't able to rig it, this time.

I know it's a snarky comment to make anyone that questioned that at the time look stupid - but it still is suspicious how those 81.2 million votes for Biden jump off the page from all other elections.

Biden barely campaigned that election, made a rare video message from Deleware. He was always a long time gaffe prone Washington insider and not getting any more appealing with age and time. Hard to believe he inspired the biggest show of support ever seen for a candidate. Plus he blew away Obama's performance only in the "swing states" and underperformed Obama almost everywhere else and there was little down ballot extenstion of that support to the house and senate race for his party. Emergency COVID rules changed all of the voter verification procedures suddenly and chaotically with mail in ballots. Courts were overwhelmed with lawsuits with most never being heard.

2000 was questionable with the Bush/Gore Florida thing and supreme court deciding that. Don't think 2004 (Bush), 2008 & 2012 (Obama) or 2016 was fishy, but that 2020 one looks way more suspicious after the one here in 2024.

There was nothing "questionable" about that turnout. Lest you forget, we were in the middle of a pandemic. And people were DESPERATE for change. Everyone did their civic duty to get us the F out of despair and get adults in charge of the pandemic response.

Look at the remarkable rise in R turnout, as well. That said, most of the electorate is not smart enough to understand that the economic decisions made then ripple for 3-4 years. That we've been in high growth mode, with high interest rates to ward off recession is beyond their comprehension. The fact the current administration was able to navigate the past 4 years has been remarkable, and we should be thankful it wasn't much worse.

Stop

[Bono Nettencourt]

So true with the exception of Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan and Georgia and Nevada which has not been called yet. In fact the only swing state that went for Trump and did vote in Dem incumbent was Wisconsin.

Were you watching CNN when you posted this?

North Carolina - Didn't have an election for senator.
Georgia - Didn't have an election for Senator.

Michigan - Called for Sorkin by AP.
Nevada - Called for Rosen by the AP.

Arizona - Lake has maybe a 1% chance of turning it around. Highly unlikely.
Ohio - Hasn't been a swing state in a long time.

Pennsylvania went for Trump and Republican McCormick beat the longtime incumbent Democrat Robert Casey.

Only the AP says so. Margin is close enough to trigger a recount and there's still about 100k votes outstanding, many from Philadelphia.

[NeonKnite]

Only the AP says so. Margin is close enough to trigger a recount and there's still about 100k votes outstanding, many from Philadelphia.

McCormick will win.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Probably, but the AP going rogue with the call at this point in time was stupid.

[Fat_Elvis]

I think it's time for Democrats to "read the room" and realize that the United States is a racist and sexist nation. They also need to realize that people don't give a fuck a about immigrants and don't want an open border of any sort. We're a selfish, narcissistic country. A vast majority of people don't even give a shit about their fellow Americans much less immigrants.

In retrospect, it appears to me that Barack Obama getting elected clearly was a trigger for many causing them to get involved in politics for the first time and helped to shift the demographic of the GOP moving towards blue collar workers in red states. These people are racist as fuck, and if you don't believe that, you haven't lived or you're in denial.

And clearly, nothing motivates people to either not vote at all or vote GOP like the Democrats running a woman and, especially, a black asian woman.

Bingo!

[aznsquirt]

I know it's a snarky comment to make anyone that questioned that at the time look stupid - but it still is suspicious how those 81.2 million votes for Biden jump off the page from all other elections.

Biden barely campaigned that election, made a rare video message from Deleware. He was always a long time gaffe prone Washington insider and not getting any more appealing with age and time. Hard to believe he inspired the biggest show of support ever seen for a candidate. Plus he blew away Obama's performance only in the "swing states" and underperformed Obama almost everywhere else and there was little down ballot extenstion of that support to the house and senate race for his party. Emergency COVID rules changed all of the voter verification procedures suddenly and chaotically with mail in ballots. Courts were overwhelmed with lawsuits with most never being heard.

2000 was questionable with the Bush/Gore Florida thing and supreme court deciding that. Don't think 2004 (Bush), 2008 & 2012 (Obama) or 2016 was fishy, but that 2020 one looks way more suspicious after the one here in 2024.

Maybe, uh, wait for the 2024 votes to finish getting counted before making this analysis.

People talking about turnout numbers when 30 million votes hadn't been counted yet hurt my head. California is still only half counted FFS.

There's currently 145 mil votes counted, with about 10 mil left to count in Ca/Az/NY/Utah/NJ/NV/WA plus whatever residuals from other states.

That's a total count of at least 155 million and maybe 1-2 mil more.

2020 had a vote total of 157 mil.

People losing their shit over turnout numbers at this point is fucking stupid beyond belief.

[Hatchets Molly]

Just saw a Joe Rogan clip where the unfunny, bubble-gut, TST moron was like, "WOW...voting DOES work...it's not rigged after all." Fucking morons, the lot of ya.

[NeonKnite]

Just saw a Joe Rogan clip where the unfunny, bubble-gut, TST moron was like, "WOW...voting DOES work...it's not rigged after all." Fucking morons, the lot of ya.

It's not rigged when they win and rigged when they lose.

Rogan is a complete piece of garbage. He's a phony who tries to act unbiased, but anyone with two braincells can see he's clearly not.

Confirmed here:

https://youtu.be/J2ilWxRn0_A?si=sYiyiuvswXqYAs4t

[Hatchets Molly]

He’s one of the luckiest Hollywood fuckers alive. Not a stellar standup career, was on a couple mediocre tv shows, starts his podcast when the iron was hot, then scores the Spotify deal and moves to the Land of Cruz. He desperately wants to be Dana White, but probably only gets to give him tug jobs.

[Hatchets Molly]

Just saw a Joe Rogan clip where the unfunny, bubble-gut, TST moron was like, "WOW...voting DOES work...it's not rigged after all." Fucking morons, the lot of ya.

It's not rigged when they win and rigged when they lose.

Rogan is a complete piece of garbage. He's a phony who tries to act unbiased, but anyone with two braincells can see he's clearly not.

Confirmed here:

https://youtu.be/J2ilWxRn0_A?si=sYiyiuvswXqYAs4t

The look on was face when it was called out says a lot. When he gets Brian Cox or Neil Degrasse Tyson on the show, some of the shit he thinks he knows about astrophysics is simply moronic - and both of those guys can explain complex shit in understandable ways and Joe still seems to furrow his brow in a HUH??? face.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Just saw a Joe Rogan clip where the unfunny, bubble-gut, TST moron was like, "WOW...voting DOES work...it's not rigged after all." Fucking morons, the lot of ya.

It's not rigged when they win and rigged when they lose.

Yep. Maybe McCormick might lose after all... here comes the fuckery:

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... vania/amp/

[Wiseacre]

As long as the "left" rely almost entirely upon identity politics to fill the ballot box, we'll never see an election that isn't a clown show. Go look at the demographic percentages of who votes for who. If a woman votes for a woman because she is a woman=go girl! (only reason Biden even picked one in the first place), Hispanics lean Hispanic, blacks almost entirely support a non-white candidates when given the choice, LGBT vote LGBT-"friendly" and on and on and on. Everyone votes "their own" and often (always?) MORE than white guys. It's so obvious that you have to have zero comprehensive ability to not see this hypocrisy. probably the same people who screamed and cried about Apartheid in SA, but relish minority groups telling the majority how to live.

I've actually seen dem talking heads calling the relatively small number of black and Hispanic men who voted for Trump compared to the last election "misogynists" just for not automatically voting for Harris. Black racism/preference guiding their vote is fine/expected, but not their awful "misogyny". That's over the line. They assume it's a GIVEN that all black people vote black (or non-white) and ALL women should vote for a woman (and not like their back-handing husbands tell them to). Blacks who don't like Harris/democratic candidates are uncle-Toms and women who vote for Trump are all either idiots or oppressed domestic abuse victims who can't think for themselves. Like that stupid commercial that told women that voting against their husbands was "...the one place in America where women still have the right to choose". Really? That's the only place where women can make decisions? How stupid DO they think women are? I seriously thought it was an AI Onion News clip. Is it actually real? I keep checking and I think it might be. It turns out even "liberals" and "moderates" dislike being called idiots and bigots. Remember Sarah Palin? Did the left celebrate a female candidate when she ran or did they villainize her as a retarded dipshit? I mean, even sexist, misogynistic Republicans supported her so she had to be torn to pieces, right? I thought no actual white guy would ever vote for a woman? Ben Carson, et al, same thing. Hispanic-Republicans are shat upon as well as some sort of traitors to "their people". How is the hypocrisy of criticizing NOT not being biased towards your own demographic while criticizing certain other groups for that very thing NOT crystal clear to everyone? I'd imagine it is, but just not convenient when it's all you've got in the tank.

If they keep it up (and of course they will) they will eventually have a very, VERY small group of voters supporting only the silly fringe bullshit. 5 minutes after the election is lost (every single time) "we need to re-evaluate our approach". 6 months later...more clownish than ever. It's too hard for so many people to understand that this country is not made up of either "neo-Nazi/Fascist Trumptards" or screaming blue-haired cat-people. But we love our McDonalds/Burger King, Coke/Pepsi, my "team"/your "team" too much to not act like a bunch of idiots, I guess. People wonder why TPTB think the way they do about the useless eaters. Can you blame them?

BTW, anyone who responds negatively to this will be "blocked" by me. I guess you could say I'm way more of a "liberal" when it comes to that sort of thing, so you'll understand.

[AlexVonHaig]

Outside of PA, all the swing states that voted for Trump and also voted for their incumbent Democrat senator.

So true with the exception of Arizona, Ohio, North Carolina, Michigan and Georgia and Nevada which has not been called yet. In fact the only swing state that went for Trump and did vote in Dem incumbent was Wisconsin.

Were you watching CNN when you posted this?

North Carolina - Didn't have an election for senator. That was my point
Georgia - Didn't have an election for Senator. That was my point

Michigan - Called for Sorkin by AP. But not an incumbent nor has won
Nevada - Called for Rosen by the AP. Hasn't won

Arizona - Lake has maybe a 1% chance of turning it around. Highly unlikely. Not an incumbent nor has won
Ohio - Hasn't been a swing state in a long time. Dem senator since 2007, I'd call that in play

North Carolina - Didn't have an election for senator. That was my point
Georgia - Didn't have an election for Senator. That was my point

Michigan - Called for Sorkin by AP. But not an incumbent nor has won
Nevada - Called for Rosen by the AP. Hasn't won

Arizona - Lake has maybe a 1% chance of turning it around. Highly unlikely. Not an incumbent nor has won
Ohio - Hasn't been a swing state in a long time. Dem senator since 2007, I'd call that in play

[Bono Nettencourt]

Remember Sarah Pain? Did the left celebrate a female candidate when she ran or did they villainize her as a retarded dipshit?

Sarah "Pain". What a serendipitous typo.

The left didn't have to villainize her - she did a fine enough job herself of proving to the world that she was a retarded dipshit. Republicans weren't uniformly in love with her either, btw. Read/watch Game Change. Read something next time before you launch into one of your interminable vomitous screeds.

[Wiseacre]

Remember Sarah Pain? Did the left celebrate a female candidate when she ran or did they villainize her as a retarded dipshit?

Sarah "Pain". What a serendipitous typo.

The left didn't have to villainize her - she did a fine enough job herself of proving to the world that she was a retarded dipshit. Republicans weren't uniformly in love with her either, btw. Read/watch Game Change. Read something next time before you launch into one of your interminable vomitous screeds.

That was on purpose to see if you'd read more than 2 lines.

fixed and blocked.

[Bono Nettencourt]

Fuck your feelings.